[News] Oliver Kylington, Derek Ryan and Zac Rinaldo on waivers. UPD: all 3 clear

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by neo45

Nordstrom is a marginally better penalty killer but is MUCH worse at literally everything else. He should not be beating Ryan out of the lineup, if that is the decision making process this is pretty inexcusable

This is true but clearly they think Ryan's contract means he won't be claimed. As another poster showed, only about 1/3 of the teams in the league even have the cap room to add him. Some of those teams are budget constrained from adding salary and for those that aren't, they likely don't have that space earmarked for a player like Derek Ryan.

I think it's near impossible he gets claimed.

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by dino7c

4th best center on the team on the 4th line

No one is arguing that Bennett is better than Monahan, Lindholm or Backlund.

Simply that the lines could perhaps be mixed up so that Bennett isn't playing with two offensive black holes.

Lucic needs to play with offensive players to be effective at all. Bennett/Dube provided that for him, Bennett/Nordstorm to a MUCH lesser degree. We won't see the Lucic or Bennett from the playoffs with Nordstrom on their wing is all I'm saying. IMO of course.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

It seems every year fans badly overestimate how often players (even good players or young promising players) are claimed. Especially this time of year. It isn't impossible of course, but highly unlikely. Ryan will be too expensive and Kylington is, well, Kylington. It is a far safer bet that both are on the taxi squad, capable of recall when it suits the Flames.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

No one is arguing that Bennett is better than Monahan, Lindholm or Backlund.

Simply that the lines could perhaps be mixed up so that Bennett isn't playing with two offensive black holes.

It's the annual Flames cycle

1) Bennett is our best player in the playoffs, scoring on the PP, taking advantage of superior linemates, generally touching every area of the game while our so-called stars are invisible

2) Treliving and the coaches talk up how they need to use Bennett more, and better.

3) Preseason hits and Bennett gets the Brouwers, Jankowski, Rinaldo, Nordstroms, Lucics

4) People talk about Bennett never earning the chance to play with better players because chance numbers don't equal points

5) surprisedpikachuface.gif

6) after a whole season of asinine usage, coaches yet again realize that Sam Bennett is a useful player, qnd use him half-decently in the playoffs, repeat cycle.

As for Oliver Kylington? Not a fan of the organizational mishandling of the player dating back to two years ago when we acquired Fantenberg. He's still young for q defenseman and could easily have a Duncan Keith-esque trajectory going forward.

[David Struch]

It could be possible that Derek Ryan and/or Oliver Kylington are being moved and the deal is pending whether they clear or not?

[Harry Lime]

Has anyone mulled over that the Flames may have liked what they saw out of Pelletier at the WJC, and Ryan on the taxi squad solves the cap problem of giving him games at the NHL level?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Has anyone mulled over that the Flames may have liked what they saw out of Pelletier at the WJC, and Ryan on the taxi squad solves the cap problem of giving him games at the NHL level?

This crossed my mind.

There is also a natural fit for him on the right side of that Lucic-Bennett line, where Nordstrom makes less sense.. Feel like there would be no better line to introduce a skilled forward who is also a bit of a agitator.

He can play his game a bit more knowing he has Lucic and Bennett with him.

My bet is he gets some reps there tonight.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I would posit that, for what he's provided to the Flames over the last two years, Ryan has been underpaid, not overpaid.

Let's not go crazy. Ryan has performed well and decent value as a UFA, but he's not getting paid $4+ anywhere. That's top 6 money, or a young player getting 3rd line minutes with high growth potential money.

He's an adequate bottom 6 player that is now overpaid by $1M+ for what he brings.

[EVERLAST]

Craig Conroy....you know...our AGM when speaking on the fan this morning referred to Ryan as "Doc" and in the most flattering of ways as well indicated the Flames " HAVE" him . ...so I doubt Conny is bullshirting anyone and this Waiver move is just that and its explained quite well if you read between the lines.

Ryan ain't going anywhere. He's universally respected in the room and the notion he was Peter's pet.....NO ....F No....he ain't.

Now unless this falls in the category of Losing Byron like we lost him �� we shouldn't jam too many folks into the suicide booth just yet.

Tre sure is getting his ass kicked by someone thr CP faithful though.

Well be fine....and I base this on Conroy on the fan this morning....he sounded like a little kid on Xmas morning....boner and all.

This roster and what they are working on is gonna be great if they all pull in the same direction.

And thank Christ we don't have the distraction of last year this year ....wow....horrible lesson to learn but it had to happen.

Time to play hockey. Stay + test negative
.....GO FLAMES GO.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Based on what?

Based on the fact they are willing to give him away to clear the money

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

It's the annual Flames cycle

1) Bennett is our best player in the playoffs, scoring on the PP, taking advantage of superior linemates, generally touching every area of the game while our so-called stars are invisible

2) Treliving and the coaches talk up how they need to use Bennett more, and better.

3) Preseason hits and Bennett gets the Brouwers, Jankowski, Rinaldo, Nordstroms, Lucics

4) People talk about Bennett never earning the chance to play with better players because chance numbers don't equal points

5) surprisedpikachuface.gif

6) after a whole season of asinine usage, coaches yet again realize that Sam Bennett is a useful player, qnd use him half-decently in the playoffs, repeat cycle.

As for Oliver Kylington? Not a fan of the organizational mishandling of the player dating back to two years ago when we acquired Fantenberg. He's still young for q defenseman and could easily have a Duncan Keith-esque trajectory going forward.

Bennett played with Lucic in the playoffs and had 8 points...same amount as "invisible" Monahan

Play Bennett at center!

Not on that line!

League is full of guys that are better in the playoffs...style of play, how the game is called. Its not about line mates IMO, Bennett was hurt in game two...its impossible to keep that up an entire year.

[Geeoff]

I find waiving Ryan to be very surprising.

Unless there's a certain disgruntled Ohio-based star Centre that we need the cap space for

[Robbob]

I was surprised with Ryan, but the more you think about it, it makes sense.

-There aren't a bunch of teams that can take on the contract. I think 7 teams that could take him on without taking them to the cap. Sens are the only Canadian team in that 7.
-If he is claimed, the team would effectively have to give him a roster spot for at least a week while he clears quarantine.
-It is the beginning of the year so everybody has their rosters pretty full of their players. Each team is going through this same exercise.
-It is the first waiver day with a record number of players on it.
-If this works, the Flames are probably going to save close to 300k in cap space with just Ryan by playing the taxi squad shell game.

I may not like Klyington on the list, but I can't honestly say I know more than the brain trust that is there.

[lazypucker]

I just have a crazy thought, are Kylington and Ryan scheduled to play the intra squad game tonight? If they do, can they "fake an injury" during the game and that will turn teams off from claiming them through waivers?

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by iLoveLamp

He makes 3 million, not 6 million.

He can play up and down the lineup, at C or W. One of our two competent RH C on the team. Consistent 40pt production. Hardly makes any mistakes. Best penalty killer on the team.

How is he one of Tre's 'worst signings'?

3.125M is a massive overpay for a 4th liner that was supposed to be a guy that could play anywhere in the lineup. Anytime he has played further up the lineup in a Flames jersey he's looked downright awful and was a complete non factor in the bubble last year. Not only is an aging player like him blocking the path for younger players to step in at a lower cap hit while getting their feet wet at the NHL level, he's also getting worse. Goal totals of 15-13-10 over the past 3 years is trending in the wrong direction.

He's also never actually score 40 points for the record, and i'm not really sure what you're basing the notion that he's the best penalty killer on the team on? I've never seen or heard anything to reflect that. The fact he's 212th in the league in SH TOI certainly doesn't support it - both Lindholm and Jankowski logged more time and sported superior corsi figures.

[Geeoff]

I wonder if Kylington on waivers is a patented Treliving "give the kid a chance to play" move? He's looking like 8th or 9th on the depth chart, which sucks for a kid who probably can play in this league.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

I just have a crazy thought, are Kylington and Ryan scheduled to play the intra squad game tonight? If they do, can they "fake an injury" during the game and that will turn teams off from claiming them through waivers?

I think if you get waived, you want to get claimed, since it means you get to stay in the NHL (albeit on a different team).

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

3.125M is a massive overpay for a 4th liner that was supposed to be a guy that could play anywhere in the lineup. Anytime he has played further up the lineup in a Flames jersey he's looked downright awful and was a complete non factor in the bubble last year. Not only is an aging player like him blocking the path for younger players to step in at a lower cap hit while getting their feet wet at the NHL level, he's also getting worse. Goal totals of 15-13-10 over the past 3 years is trending in the wrong direction.

He's also never actually score 40 points for the record, and i'm not really sure what you're basing the notion that he's the best penalty killer on the team on? I've never seen or heard anything to reflect that. The fact he's 212th in the league in SH TOI certainly doesn't support it - both Lindholm and Jankowski logged more time and sported superior corsi figures.

Never scored 40....did have back to back 38 point seasons. Even in the Flames' dreadful offensive season last year, he was on pace for 34.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I was surprised with Ryan, but the more you think about it, it makes sense.

-There aren't a bunch of teams that can take on the contract. I think 7 teams that could take him on without taking them to the cap. Sens are the only Canadian team in that 7.
-If he is claimed, the team would effectively have to give him a roster spot for at least a week while he clears quarantine.
-It is the beginning of the year so everybody has their rosters pretty full of their players. Each team is going through this same exercise.
-It is the first waiver day with a record number of players on it.
-If this works, the Flames are probably going to save close to 300k in cap space with just Ryan by playing the taxi squad shell game.

I would add: if you're a team who could slot in Ryan as veteran depth, how many other forwards are still available on the market, willing to sign for near the league minimum? We signed three of them this year ourselves.

Also, how many people think Ryan will be on the team next year? I like him a lot, but unless it's for something in the $1M range, I'd be surprised if he's back.

On a semi-related note, I'm NOT missing Mark Jankowski hanging on the fringes as a 4C this year. I hope he does well in Pittsburgh, as it likely wasn't going to happen here...

[Brad Marsh]

Re Ryan: thought he did way more in a positive way in the scrimmage tonight than either Leivo or Nordstrom. I guess it's likely a salary thing, so I get that. What I don't get is why the salary matters if he makes your team better. Not worried about Ryan getting claimed.

Re Bennett: best Flame during the restart last year. I could see taking a big step this year. Totally up to him. With a deeper team, he will likely have some decent linemates, even if he is centering the 4th line. I hope sees some PP time.

Re Kylington: just don't get this at all. Say whatever you want about defensive lapses or flat progression or whatever else, I think it's too soon to say he won't hit some of that potential you see every time he plays. And the team didn't have to waive him. They have other D that can go to the taxi squad without needing waivers (like Mackey). I just feel like they are risking a waiver pick up for no reason. I'm completely baffled. Is the team sour about the contract hold-out? I hope he clears.