[PGT] Jets 3 Flames 2

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Hire GM
Get impatient with GM
Fire GM

Rinse and repeat.

It's worked so well for this franchise let's continue it!

Those players he inherited are precisely the ones not showing up (Except Backlund).

Treliving has made good moves with players and some good value signings, but his coaching selections have been poor. The character of the team under his management has been weak.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Have to think if the Jets weren’t depleted they would be rolling this team.

Not a guarantee at all. They wouldn't be nearly as fired up without that first incident. A lot of guys were actively seeking vengeance today.

You cant see into alternate timelines so why make up fantasies just to pile on the team. Seems totally unnecessary.

[Manhattanboy]

I usually don’t complain about the refs but that was an embarrassment.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Tied 1-1 in a playoff series

I suppose if you can't beat a team without 2 of their top6 forwards playing, they can hope that another gets hurt to get a chance.

Remember how the flames d was this massive advantage over the jets?? Jets d has made less mistakes than our powerhouse d over the first 2 games. Maybe we just need more jets injuries to make it close

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Giordano and Monahan had two of the worst performances I've ever seen from members of the Calgary Flames.

The Flames played poorly, but what a ridiculously hyperbolic statement.

[TheScorpion]

Here are all the Flames' series since the last time they were up 2-0 in one.

Loss to Tampa
Loss to Anaheim
Loss to Detroit
Loss to San Jose
Loss to Chicago
Win over Vancouver
Loss to Anaheim
Loss to Anaheim
Loss to Colorado

Not a great record. And it could get worse, especially if they lose again tomorrow. They can't seem to grab momentum when it really matters.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I usually don’t complain about the refs but that was an embarrassment.

It wasn't solely responsible for the outcome but they did their jobs poorly, yes. Really bad stuff from the whistle blowers. Felt like they had it out for specific Flames players given the calls on those scrums.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

5 years isn't long enough to allow a GM to implement his vision.
Again, look at bad franchises and you will see one of the most common elements is constant change at the top.
Strong franchises have stability in key management positions.

Strong franchises spend the money required to have elite people in those positions. Crappy franchises pay bottom dollar and cycle through management hoping to catch lightning in a bottle.

The key isn't to keep management in place for a long time, it's to hire good management that deserves to be around a long time.

As soon as we heard the Flames didn't even inquire with Boudreau it was clear which route they were taking.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Nsd1

Filthy, dirty kick by Pionk on Gaudreau. Wonder if Ward goes and cries to the media about this.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1290390775034007555

Pionk came in attempting to destroy Johnny's knee. He quickly realized that he missed so he did a spin kick to try and cut out Gaudreau's appendix with his skate. Fully intentional. He planned it after Saturday's game.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I usually don’t complain about the refs but that was an embarrassment.

Their coach campaigned for it, and it worked. That's the beauty of playoffs, it's all about gaining whatever advantage any way you can - and it's the type of stuff the Flames just haven't done at any point since Darryl left the bench.

This team does not have a "win at all costs" mentality on the ice or off the ice. I always get left feeling like the team collectively plays while thinking "we can't go all out on this shift, we need to be ready for the next shift".

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Not a guarantee at all. They wouldn't be nearly as fired up without that first incident.

You cant see into alternate timelines so why make up fantasies just to pile on the team. Seems totally unnecessary.

Yep teams often step up after losing a big player...in the short term anyway. Us against the world, simple game, hard work, nothing to lose ect.

This is not to excuse the Flames but it's not like it's the first time a team won a game missing players.

[djsFlames]

Hope he gets pionked from the next one (as in suspended). No room for that.

Contrary to popular belief the Jets have brought most of the dirt to these games.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Table 5

The Flames played poorly, but what a ridiculously hyperbolic statement.

Have you ever seen either of them play so poorly? I don't know if Giordano in particular made it through a single shift without a turnover.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Here are all the Flames' series since the last time they were up 2-0 in one.

Loss to Tampa
Loss to Anaheim
Loss to Detroit
Loss to San Jose
Loss to Chicago
Win over Vancouver
Loss to Anaheim
Loss to Anaheim
Loss to Colorado

Not a great record. And it could get worse, especially if they lose again tomorrow. They can't seem to grab momentum when it really matters.

Well the first five are irrelevant

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by dammage79

When the opposition are missing their #1 C, 2nd line RW (1st PP LW at that) and are patchworking with some 4th line talent, yeah, ppl should be anticipating brooms. But nay, you get a bi polar fan response from a bipolar performing team. Weird.

Alright then, keep your debbie downer attitude. Are we expecting them to be lights out, every game, all playoffs? We barely lost playing terribly and hit two posts in the third. The officiating was terrible both ways. Jets pushed back well and played harder. We just need to do the same tomorrow.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Nsd1

Filthy, dirty kick by Pionk on Gaudreau. Wonder if Ward goes and cries to the media about this.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1290390775034007555

Grotesque

[Itse]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Their coach campaigned for it, and it worked. That's the beauty of playoffs, it's all about gaining whatever advantage any way you can - and it's the type of stuff the Flames just haven't done at any point since Darryl left the bench.

You're forgetting Hartley. That guy played the media like a fiddle at times. Also had plenty of experience before leading the team to playoffs, also won a round.

It's almost like playoff experience is a good thing for a coach. Maybe we should try getting that.

[868904]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Man this board is bipolar af. Saturday it was “sweep the Jets, bring on the playoffs, legit contender, etc.”. Today it’s “will never win with this core, blow it up, hope for 1st overall.” This game was bad showing, no question, but was anyone really thinking we were going to sweep? We barely lost while playing like dog crap. Regroup, reset, clean up some areas (discipline!) and get ready for tomorrow.

Even if the Flames win this series, I just don't see that they have what it takes to be a champion.

The core lacks size and speed. They either have size but are slow (Tkachuk, Monahan) or have speed but are weak (Gaudreau and Mangiapane).

Lindholm and Backlund are probably the two most suited for the playoffs but both guys are more complimentary pieces and would be the 5th and 6th top forwards on real contenders.

I think the core forward group needs to add at least two guys who have that size/speed/skill combination.

Go after Hall in the Summer and flip Monahan and/or Gaudreau for a top 6 forward with size and speed.

[nik-]

Stability isn't a virtue when it breeds mediocrity.

[motorcrosser]

If they would just get the puck out of their dang zone. So frustrating.