Who in your opinion is the most overrated player of all-time?

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Phaneufenstein

I think he's a good offensive player that won't transfer the same success to the post season.

Just don't look at his post season stats (albeit small sample).

[Eric Vail]

On this board, Matt Stajan is the most over-rated.

[The Yen Man]

I think Drasaitl might still put up points in the post season. His issue isn't that he's not offensively gifted, it's more that he's terrible defensively, and you don't usually win with those types of players. Plus, the guy racks up so many pp points, I don't see that continuing in the post season, where teams are a lot more committed defensively in preventing goals against.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I was on the Draisaitl is overrated train for a while there but he just keeps getting better. Is it possible to be overrated while also being a top 5/10 player on the planet?

This is why it can be said he is over rated...guy puts up massive points 110 this year but finds a way to be a minus player somehow.

People rip on Gaudreau's defensive game yet when he put up 99 points he was a plus 18. There is no real excuse for having 100+ points and being a minus player on a playoff team.

Also, you don't need to defend every Oiler posted in this thread

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Bobby Holik.
I don't know if fans over rated him, but the Rangers sure did. I believe that contract was proof GM's and owners absolutely had to have a salary cap to control themselves. It was so shocking at the time, that name still jumps out at me when it comes to "over rating" a player.

Oh, and I'm certainly on the Toews train as well. Always respected him as a player, but never understand the level of praise he received.

[Kipper_3434]

Martin Brodeur. He looked pretty average after Niedermayer left. Good goalie, just definitely not the best.
Also Carey Price has been overrated from day 1

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

Bobby Holik.
I don't know if fans over rated him, but the Rangers sure did. I believe that contract was proof GM's and owners absolutely had to have a salary cap to control themselves. It was so shocking at the time, that name still jumps out at me when it comes to "over rating" a player.

Oh, and I'm certainly on the Toews train as well. Always respected him as a player, but never understand the level of praise he received.

He benefited from being a UFA in a very shallow year.

Good player though, but was greatly overpaid as free agent.

[1qqaaz]

Carey Price.

Good career, but random goalies like Robin Lehner, Tukka Rask, John Gibson, Schneider, Crawford, and Kuemper all have higher career save percentages.

Lehner, Schneider, Kuemper have played on some pretty bad teams, yet have still put up good numbers.
Rasks' career save percentage is WAY higher than Price's.

Halak and Price had similar career totals, yet Price is deemed elite, and Halak can hardly hold a starter job.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dino7c

This is why it can be said he is over rated...guy puts up massive points 110 this year but finds a way to be a minus player somehow.



People rip on Gaudreau's defensive game yet when he put up 99 points he was a plus 18. There is no real excuse for having 100+ points and being a minus player on a playoff team.



Also, you don't need to defend every Oiler posted in this thread

Wasn't trying to defend every Oiler truly. Only really think 3 players on that team are worth a damn (I would take RNH here). Honestly I've become more of a fan of the game than the Flames the last few years. Flames are still my team but I find myself following players more and more than just the Flames.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Wasn't trying to defend every Oiler truly. Only really think 3 players on that team are worth a damn (I would take RNH here). Honestly I've become more of a fan of the game than the Flames the last few years. Flames are still my team but I find myself following players more and more than just the Flames.

Just breaking balls but in the last three pages you have pumped tires of Chris Pronger, Ryan Smyth, and Drai....take it easy, you don't want to end up being no good

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Just breaking balls but in the last three pages you have pumped tires of Chris Pronger, Ryan Smyth, and Drai....take it easy, you don't want to end up being no good

Well pronger dashed their hopes and dreams, and basically ushered in 11 years worth of hilarity by wanting out so I think it's all good there.

Dont really think of him as an oiler, he's a blue through and through. Only reason they got a chance to acquire him at all was because of the cap came in and I believe he was coming off an injury. I remember being so pissed at that trade, the one good thing Lowe did.

I also remember wanting the flames to sign Smyth before he went to colorado then being kind of relieved when I saw the cap hit. I believe Sutter was the bridesmaid on that one. So not just me seeing redeeming qualities in rivals. This was back before Sutter went insane.

Regarding drai, I was so happy that Bennett dropped to us in 2014. Thought drai was too slow and would never be more than a 3rd line C, maybe a 2nd line C. Whoops.

[CSharp]

OK, putting feelings aside for the Oilers - since Drasaitl and RNH are mentioned - I would take either of them in a heartbeat especially over Bennet any day!!!

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

On this board, Matt Stajan is the most over-rated.

<cough>Bennett</cough>

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by CSharp

OK, putting feelings aside for the Oilers - since Drasaitl and RNH are mentioned - I would take either of them in a heartbeat especially over Bennet any day!!!

Rnh is like a younger backlund with more pedigree. I would take him here too if the price was right. Backlund would need to go or ryan and jankowski. Would make us better, hard to argue that.

Would way rather rnh than hall if we are going forner oiler hunting in the next 2 years. Cheaper, plays a more important position and knows where his end of the ice is. He would slot in nicely as our 4th or 5th best forward instead of shoehorning hall in as our 3rd top line LW.

I'm honestly a little scared that BT will blow his brains out over hall and give him the tavares deal. RNH at 7.5-8 is much more palatable. More than that and I would pass. It would make him the highest paid flame for a year until tkachuk is inked, not sure how I feel about that.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

RNH at 7.5-8 is much more palatable.

Puke. That would be almost as bad as Lucics contract.

[Regulator75]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Also, to this day, it still boggles my mind that Jose Theodore won the Hart over Iggy! WTF?

Blame the racist cheese eating surrender monkey reporters...

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Puke. That would be almost as bad as Lucics contract.

Lucic is a replacement level player making 5.25m. Rnh is a legit top 6 forward who is also a center. 7.5m would be 1.5 less than skinner, think about that. Going rate unless the cap goes down.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

I don't know about all time, but for me it's Jonathan Toews in the cap era. No his cup rings don't do much for me because those are team accomplishments. The stories about how Crosby almost had to bow down to his majesty at the Olympics because he's the greatest leader in all of hockey were just so lame.

Every GM in the league would say you were crazy.

Even great teams need leaders. And Toews was the leader of the Hawks.

It's likely the missing ingredient from the Flames teams.

[Kolbe31]

I couldn't sleep last night thinking about this thread. Brodeur, Hasek, Jagr, LIDSTROM. The thread title should be changed to COME IN HERE IF YOU WANT TO COMPLETELY LOSE YOUR SH*T.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Connor McDavid. The amount of hype this guy gets is higher than anyone in history. Is he great offensive player? Yes. He is not a complete player though and has not really proven anything in the NHL yet except he can rack up points. The media talks about him in the same breath as the all time greats and he just isn't.

A-####ing-men

Let's see him do something more than put up points on a bad team.

He doesn't put up 50 plus goals like Ovi or 80 assists like Thornton so he isnt extraordinary in any individual stat either.

And now his teammate, the final solution Leon, is outscoring him despite having 1/3 the foot speed.

He is what you'd get if you made any handful of one dimensional offense first forwards faster than everybody else on the ice.