[PGT] Back-to-back shutouts, 6-0 vgk

[Spike Man]

Originally Posted by codynw

Why would Philly do this?

I don't think it's that big a stretch. Gaudreau and Monahan combined for 191 points last year, Couturier and Giroux 161. Plus they are younger and on fairly team friendly contracts. The total combined cap hits are very close.

Gaudreau is from that area so that my be good for the Flyers.

[Lego Man]

This team is clearly not as good as they were last year, where lots of key players had overachieved. But also, the team isn't as bad as they're playing this year either.

It's clear Johnny is off his game, that whole line is off - the rest of the team can't play the game it was designed to play, every line is out of sync.

Let Johnny work his way out of the funk and we'll start winning again, not 1st place in west winning - but this is a playoff team with everyone playing just average.

And no: Tre won't trade anyone from the core until the off season, he won't trade Johnny during the worst slump he's had in a Flames uniform - it's just common sense GMing.

Might can Peter's though... that would be the easiest way to shock the group into performing, but Tre would have to do that before Christmas to give the team a hope for playoffs.

Yes, that's all we hope for here at CP: the playoffs.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

BT put his foot forward for this group and if they fail to show up I think we will see some changes at some point. The two guys on top are showing they don't have what it takes to lead the team when it matters most. Those 2 have been given every opportunity. For the most part Johnny and and Monahan have been fantastic players but they are not leading the way at this point. Interesting point that the coach keeping those 2 together might be a big part of the problem. 2 guys shouldn't be holding the team back, that is a problem.

I don't blame BT, really. They were #1 in the West last season, even though they crashed and burned in the playoffs I can see why he wanted to give the core another shot. And now we're seeing a group that probably need changes but it's tough to make big trade during the season. So now we may need to sit and wait until the offseason where I'd think we will see some major, major changes.

[N-E-B]

This is not on Brad Treliving.

This is not on Bill Peters.

This is not on Milan Lucic or James Neal.

This is 100% without a doubt on Sean Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau. There’s a few other guys I’d pin it on as well (Backlund, Janko) but those players are not nearly as important as Johnny and Monahan.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

You do not win with Monahan and Gaudreau as your top two players. Both cannot handle the going when it gets tough. I will gladly eat crow but I’m am 100 percent convinced this team will never have any success unless we toughen up, up top.

You're half right, Monahan can go but trading Gaudreau would bring us down to Ottawa/Detroit levels, Gaudreau is playing like crap but I suspect it's a deep rooted problem(possibly a personal life problem he can't shake) Monahan is just pulling his annual disappearing act 4 months early.

On tough play? Gaudreau has fought threw this kind of play his whole life and always came out on top, Monahan for a big man plays far to soft when times get tough, he seems more like a winger as he can't keep the puck on his stick to make plays, I would trade him in a second for a guy like Zibanejad who can carry the puck and make a plays

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Spike Man

Said this at the end of last year and it may be a pipe dream but I would trade Gaudreau and Monahan for Giroux and Couturier if at all possible. I believe that's where Gaudreau wants to end up so why not face the music now?

Giroux is 32 this season.. no thanks.

[NewFan]

Something is not working in Peters system. No any puck control, players can't connect and are playing not on their strenth.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

On tough play? Gaudreau has fought threw this kind of play his whole life and always came out on top

Always comes out on top?

Sometimes yes.



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[transplant99]

Kristen Anderson
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Tkachuk had some really strong comments tonight: "It's disgusting. It's bad. It's bad right now. We need to change this around ... something's gotta change here. We've gotta get back to the old us and get out of this little funk here because this is not fun."

[Toonage]

I just can't accept the statements made by players in times like this. Like last year during the playoffs and all the cliches were spouted, all the alleged disgust then too.

Until I see a change on the ice its all just rhetoric.

[zukes]

Originally Posted by Buff

'86 Flames did that. In 89 they didn't even lose 3 in a row.

My point still stands.

[CroFlames]

This is where a GM proves his mettle.

Do you stand pat and show faith in your group, or do you make a significant change?

I don't even know what direction I'm leaning, but I sure wish 13 and 23 were doing more.

[Huntingwhale]

The top line definitely needs to step up and start winning games. That's what good top lines do, like this one did last season. However I'm not ready to trade Gaudreau yet. He put up 100 points last season. You don't trade a player like him simply because he's in a slump. If the staff notices that he's not committed to the team or has requested a trade, then sure you get a king's ransom for him. But IMO Gaudreau has earned a bit longer of a leash due to how well he's played since his first game in Calgary and the fact he's not even at a $7 million cap hit. I have no doubt he will bounce back. You don't trade game-breakers just because the fans are impatient with them. He's not the first star player in the league to slump and won't be the last.

Would be nice to see some of the role players step up though. And god damn Backlund...wtf happened to him over the summer? No offence from the backend either. I'm not quite ready to say Gio has lost a step, but he's also 37 and unrealistic to expect him to play to the bar he did last season. That wide open missed net was upsetting to watch. Can only imagine how horrible he feels about that.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

This is not on Brad Treliving.

This is not on Bill Peters.

This is not on Milan Lucic or James Neal.

This is 100% without a doubt on Sean Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau. There’s a few other guys I’d pin it on as well (Backlund, Janko) but those players are not nearly as important as Johnny and Monahan.

Not 100% you have to be able to win games when your top line does nothing.

[dissentowner]

Jesus Christ, some of you need to step away from the game for a while. The team is in a slump, they will break out of it. The way people are talking on here is like we are last years Oilers. The team is one year removed from being the top team in the West. I get the frustration but some of the stuff being said on here is truly fn ridiculous. Gio is not done. Gaudreau is still a dynamic force at a bargain price, he is in a slump. The guy just lost his crap a game ago and some are saying he doesn't care, what a stupid statement. He is trying, he is struggling. Players go through that. Two years ago Monahan was criticized as not a number 1 C, then last year he was definitely a #1 C, and now he isn't again. The swings on here can be crazy. He is struggling like everyone else. There is plenty off time people, step back from the ledge.

[SuperMatt18]

Over the last 10 games we have the lowest high danger shooting percentage in the league (8.70% - league average is 18.2% in that time period).

In that time frame we also have the worst High Danger Save Percentage (.720 - .817 is the league average in that time frame).

Last year for the full season our High Danger Shooting Percentage was 20.4% and High Danger Save Percentage was .832.

So while we are struggling this year in terms of creating quality chances in that High Danger Area, we are also in a bit of a bad luck spell when it comes to finishing and saving those chances - and that's been the story in this stretch.

In both the Phoenix and Vegas games there were plays where the Flames either missed or their goalie saved a grade A chance at one end, only for the play to come back the other way and them to score on their grade A chance at the other end.

And that's just how these last 10 games have been. They score on their big chances, we can't finish ours.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Jesus Christ, some of you need to step away from the game for a while. The team is in a slump, they will break out of it. The way people are talking on here is like we are last years Oilers. The team is one year removed from being the top team in the West. I get the frustration but some of the stuff being said on here is truly fn ridiculous. Gio is not done. Gaudreau is still a dynamic force at a bargain price, he is in a slump. The guy just lost his crap a game ago and some are saying he doesn't care, what a stupid statement. He is trying, he is struggling. Players go through that. Two years ago Monahan was criticized as not a number 1 C, then last year he was definitely a #1 C, and now he isn't again. The swings on here can be crazy. He is struggling like everyone else. There is plenty off time people, step back from the ledge.

It has been about 9-10 months though. What exactly happened during the All-Star break last season? I am genuinely curious. No more purple gatorade, Gaudreau and Monahan in a funk, etc. What happened over those 5 days that everything has gone to the crapper?

[Harry Lime]

It went from having fun to not having fun. Maybe it's that simple.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

The Lucic trade killed this team. “Hey guys, I know Neal didn’t fit do, guess what? I’m bringing in the worst contract in the league”.

Seriously. This team got significantly worse on paper over the offseason. Combine that with 5 career years last year that predictably regressed and guess what? This team is what it has always been. Not a contender. Not even close.

Lucic was brought in mainly for his size. I'm sure everyone watched the playoffs and saw how the Flames got pushed around at the tail end of the season heading into the playoffs with the Avs and the Avs pretty much pushed over the Flames. It's like the Bruins showed how they came back from a 3-1 series to win the Cup and showed that if you can dominate a smaller team, even if the opposition is skilled, the bigger team will win in a long drawn out series. The team does have some toughness in Lucic, Tkachuk, Gio, Andersson, and Hamonic but this team is small and soft overall! Take a look at the 3rd and 4th lines - frick, they're supposed to be the energy lines and the grit but they're made up of smaller guys with a bit more finesse than the pluggers. Bringing in Lucic only solved 1/20th of the problem. The team needs to get bigger and they need players to get into the dirty areas. I still think Monahan and Gaudreau can still be part of the team, I think one of them should be on the second line, similar to Toews and Kane on the Blackhawks. Size matters when it comes to a physical sport like hockey!

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

It has been about 9-10 months though. What exactly happened during the All-Star break last season? I am genuinely curious. No more purple gatorade, Gaudreau and Monahan in a funk, etc. What happened over those 5 days that everything has gone to the crapper?

https://beta.canada.com/sports/hocke...cd119c268/amp/

https://edmontonsun.com/sports/hocke...7-b8a69f2196b0

This isn't a week or even month long slump, it's been going on for a lot longer.

Have we even seen the purple gatorade since the All Star break? Honest question.

Someone on reddit posted there's been a major rift between Gaudreau and Monahan off the ice. Whether if there's truth to that or not, the body language and play with them together on the same time is not the same at all.