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Old 12-17-2018, 12:08 AM   #201
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Anybody else having a hard time finding the ATL? Apparently it’s post 21... not there when I check.
Try this link:
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:08 AM   #202
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Mark Giordano has as many points as Evgeni Malkin has in as many games.
Most important player on the team IMO.
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Anybody else having a hard time finding the ATL? Apparently it’s post 21... not there when I check.
Here it is, tis long, not sure how the formatting will turn out.



The Curious Curse of ROR
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If you could become a relatively great NHL player and make millions of dollars BUT your entire career is spent on basement dwelling teams and you can never escape it, would you do it? (i.e. do you want to be Ryan O'Reilly)
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Since O'Reilly has been nominated as acting Captain by many on this sub, will he receive just as much criticism for when the team doesn't play well? Or is that not how that works? I thought the team was supposed to follow his example? Am I missing something?
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YOU don’t get it. OBVIOUSLY once they sew the ALL MIGHTY SANCTIFIED “C” on O’Reilly’s sweater the bad play and woes of the whole organization will magically go away. The players will instantly begin to follow his example and begin hustling. Because RIGHT NOW his leadership falls on deaf ears UNTIL the “C” is bestowed upon him. /s
Some of the sub is in for a rude awakening when the Captaincy changes and everything is the same
Identity Crisis
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Can we make it three in a row? Will Calgary score less than 5? Find out in 3 hours!
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LGB! Hoping for a competitive game. If nothin else, flames have been really fun to watch lately...
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first day of the rest of our season, boys
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Blues are going to do something stupid like going on a six game win streak just to screw our chances of a great draft pick.
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Lose today and the tank is back on
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We are 1-0 with me in attendance.

Today I will be in attendance
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Local Boy Robbery
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Wow. That was one of the best saves Jake has ever made. Makes up for his brutal turnover.
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Hope we can just extinguish the Flames here. Make Tkachuk cry.
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Calgary is so good this year, I'm fully expecting to be steam-rolled. If we just knock one of Tkachuk's teeth out I'll have a good time.
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it'll be easy enough to do because he always chews on his mouth guard so it's never in properly
Local Boy Scores
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Jesus. The second Kelly said “Tkachuk has never scored against the Blues” I knew he was getting a goal this game.
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lol tkachuk with the douchiest goal cele ever
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We’re going to lose by at least 5.
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just got in ... punch that kid in the mouth
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No Dman within 10 feet of him???
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Maroon. Gets a penalty for throwing around his slow ass.

Blues sloppy from the start.

Too much confusion in our own end.
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Not a promising start.
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We suck
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Welp, Blues are back.
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At bar half here today. Also took 20 minutes for xomments to load.
Bad start. Blues should show up soon
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Holy #### we can’t let passing like that happen
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I guess the Christmas Party was last night.
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ah I see we're playing our "shooting gallery" defensive formation again
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This penalty kill should be fun.
Beastmode Zebulon with a Shorty
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LMFAO
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This team ****ing sucks
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Could be a long night ...
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laughing in real life
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Classic Blues lololol #### this team
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How many shorties have we given up this year?
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So winning 2 in a row must mean losing the next game in double embarrassing fashion
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For **** sakes I mean I could score on Allen on a breakaway. Legitimately every player in the league shoots right above or under his blocker and shockingly he hasn’t stopped one.
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Just bench Maroon
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No Maroon, that’s not what we want from you in your 400th game
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again we look flat and tired. flames played yesterday and look refreshed and picking us apart
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Yup. Double bench him
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Has Allen stopped a breakaway once this year? I know it’s not his fault but my god people are exploiting him with the same shot.
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Alrighty....

Somebody just put a turd in the punchbowl.
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Same old ****.

Not prepared to play after a previous good gane.

Sloppy and lazy.
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Turns on game. Blues give up shorthanded goal. Turns off
Not letting these losers ruin my Sunday
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I believe that was Schwartz that straight ****ed Parayko on the face off. Thanks for that.
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Take the ****ing body colton. You clowns can't handle a bobbling puck
Mr. Norris with a Clapper
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Welp.
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This is like sticking pins in myself so far , wake the **** up mother****ers
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Can’t wait to hear the boos at the end of this period. Please blow this team up. Now!
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This might get bad real quick
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I had an offer to go to today’s game...glad I passed that up
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Getting booed only half way through the first period on home ice...wow. Time to definitely blow it up.
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Every time I think the Blues may have turned a corner, they **** the bed.
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oh my the age of the flames ... so * * * * ing what ? * * * * atlanta
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Is there another team so easily hemmed into their own zone? ****.
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Lol I’m doing some errands and Christmas shopping today while checking on this thread

Great game to miss and f&$@ this team
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HAHAHAHAHAHA ****ING LOSERS
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trying to be positive but god we look out of shape, this game has a 6-0 game written all over it
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Why did I even bother turning the game on?
Quiney makes it 4-0
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You know I was at a party today, so I got back home just in time and already wasted af. Still hurts though.
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#### me, you could see those last two goals a mile away. The Flames are already good enough this year that they don’t need our help, guys.
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Lose for Hughes…

...is back on track.
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his team looks like they absolutely know they can’t make a comeback
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Let this be a wake up call Doug , do your ****ing job & do it properly ...
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Start benching guys doing stupid ****
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....I don’t even know what to say
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The coach just shakes his head...####ING YELL AT PEOPLE THAT #### UP GOD DAMMIT
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goodbye
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Turned it off. Watching on my Sling account at the local ice rink for a Bday party. I'll watch the NFL instead on the lobby TV.

This team isn't worth the data usage.
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Mercy rule?
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Turn on the game and they score...fml
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Oh my God , this now ****ing embarrassing
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The Blues are trying an advanced new strategy called “not giving a ####”
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Drove 4 hours for this. Never thought about leaving after the 1st before lol.
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Holy ####. Scott and Bernie are ####ting on the team. Wow.
"This is not good. There's no way to sugarcoat it." - Scott
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I bet if the Flames pulled their goalie the whole game we'd still lose 5-2
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Tarasenko is just vanek now
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Haha...Calgary is hungry to pad their stats. They may put up 10.
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At work just checked the score.


Hahahahahahahahahahah
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I'm going to be watching stubhub for some dirt cheap seats behind the bench. I will proceed to scream that they all suck and should move to Saskatoon until i'm escorted out by security.
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This team is going to make me butt chug a bottle of Everclear
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Parayko keeps making the most predictable up ice passes
Johnny Hockey padding the stats
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Come on Butler... gotta be smarter than that.
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If we hadn't played like complete dog#### in the first this would be a good game... :/
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lol, they turned the corner and drove off a ****ing cliff.
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Gotta blow the whole organization up. This team is garbage inside and out.
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Just when we thought it couldn't get worse.
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I missed the first period. Were the Blues playing man-to-man the entire first period? I see that they were on the 4th goal against, at least, and of course a guy get's lost in the confusion and scores.

Why do they keep going back to that well?
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Holy ****. What a shot.
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Yeah let every punchable face score on us.
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That’s more like it lol
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OMG! You don't know what's in their hearts.

No pride? No effort?

For shame!

:barf:
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I don’t want to hire anybody until the offseason. Lets tank this ***** first
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I often joke that I'd like the Cardinals to tank so that the Blues could earn a Cup. I want to point out to any Powers That Be that this deal wasn't supposed to be reversed.
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They are playing a team who played yesterday and should be worn down but the Blues who been off are playing like they where playing last night. No excuses on why they play like this and I'm tired of them saying we are sorry and we can't play like this from the home crowd and yet they STILL do it. There talk and action is been two different things and it frustrating. Seem like every Sunday after noon they played like ****.
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having not watched the game yet...can I guess, and you tell me if I'm close:
Lazy play, bad turnovers, no defense in front of Allen and sloppy offensive zone play?
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Completely bonehead penalties, dump and chase, poor passing, complete inability to clear the zone
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Experience Blues Hockey tm

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Well...guess the Packers game was just setting me up for the transition to the Blues game.
Think I'll just go clean my pantry instead..
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At the game, fans are leaving in waves. I don't blame them. That period was as bad as post-lockout blues during the firesale era of the mid 2000s
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I know it's St. Louis, but the Flames are looking like legitimate Cup contenders
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Holy #### was that an offensive posses... Nevermind
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Can we not be done with this game in the first 10 like last Sunday pls. Ffs
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“Allen is terrible, get rid of him”
Granted, he is sorta #### but when the team utterly collapses in front of him what do you expect him to do? Sprout a third arm and leg to magically save all of the shots that the D should have blocked in the first place?
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Now this is the Blues we all know and…..LOVE. They blew my wish for a 10 game loosing streak. NOW were back on track. My thought process….clean house starting with ARMY ……THE MR. HUGHES SWEEPSTAKE. I’d rather start the rebuild process now rather than waist the prospect of getting a # 1 or #2 overall pick this year AND maybe next year ( think EDMONTON ) but with a ligit guy in control… AND I DON’T MEAN DOUG ARMSTRONG. This team doesn’t have a snowballs chance in hell of being a contender with this bunch any time soon so what the hell are we waiting for? Let the dominoes begin falling.
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Lol Calgary is playing on a back-to-back?
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Sad isn't it? The blues look like the ones who are on short rest.
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God the level of suck that this team is at right now. I really just can't wrap my head around it.
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We are one of the worst NHL teams and Calgary is 2nd best so far. This shouldn't be a surprise.
Let's go get Hughes.
Johnny into the EN
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Jeesus its quiet there
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I wish it was that quiet where I am. Instead got the girlfriend and her friends getting drunk in the other room singing the same 4 Ukrainian pop songs for the last 3 hours.

A perfect evening of torture.
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LOL@ Pulling the goalie. Like that is going to help this bunch of lame ducks.
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Knew it was a good idea to bet the Over. History doesn’t lie, we won’t win 3 in a row this whole season.
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Time for the......Trash Bin!!!!
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You could replace him with Rinne, Vasilevsky, or Price and we'd still be losing.
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Question: which blues player are you just done with? im going with maroon or Perron
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If I could time travel, I would go back to October and tell myself not to buy NHL Center Ice this year.
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It’s not the number of losses that deeply concerns me, it’s the number of blowout losses. If every game was a dogfight to the end and we just come up short, the tide will eventually turn your way. When you get housed, at home, on a consistent basis, there’s something much bigger going on and likely isn’t fixable this season.
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someone ####ing punch something. Bortuzzo come on man find the nearest guy on your team and deck him
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Can we start a bench fight with just our bench?
Quiney on the PP
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slapped back to reality. thank you, Flames.
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Welcome to the Blues, Jordan Binnington.
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So glad this dumpster fire of a game is almost over.
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This team I tell you. We will never be on the right side of a blowout game.
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We have the means to play some pretty creative and effective hockey, but we don't. It's just behind the net to jam play over and over again.
####ing Bonehead Berube over here is just incompetent against a team like the flames. The alertness and play action changes just aren't there, and it's why we can get scored on 4 times in the first 15 minutes of a game.
I don't even want to look at our GAA right now, but it's a result of a coaching staff and team that simply cannot figure out a counter-strategy in the time you need to.
Brass needs to do something now.
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I'm glad all of these other teams are making moves to improve while the Blues literally do jack #### and get blown the #### out yet again on home ice. Berube seems like a nice guy, but he was never the solution, and if we have problem guys in the locker room, they need to be ####ing traded YESTERDAY. If Army helped create this problem and he's frozen like a deer in the headlights, then why the #### is he still here? Good lord!

Can’t Pick Your OOT Friends
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#### it, just beat them so bad that they have zero confidence on Tuesday. Go Calgary. Yeah, I said it
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I took Johnny and Monahan in a box pool this year and after holding off for way too long finally traded in Nylander’s box for Tkachuk.
It feels so, so dirty...
...all the way to the bank.
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Well I guess I'm done here
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Parayko has like 35 lbs and nearly a half a foot on Lindholm. Winning that frenzied puck battle against that giant exempt stick is ####ing crazy.
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Calgary spanking the Blues 2-0 already.

San Jose also gets Chicago today, so the Oilers need the two points tonight.

3-0 now.
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Okay that was a beauty by Lindholm
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I was laughing my ass off when Calgary made that Hamilton trade but I think now you have to consider that a win for Treliving.
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Jesus, St. Louis is absolute flaming garbage.
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The Oilers need to just assume that no Pacific team will ever lose a game again, unless its against another Pacific team, in which case it would be an OT loss.
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Flames have Hanafin and Lindholm locked up for 6(?)years at 9.5aav collectively. That's a huge win imho
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:16 AM   #204
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I think the Flames this year resemble the 1986 team a lot more than the 1989 team. In 1989, they were the favourites, and let the NHL in virtually every category. It was no surprise they won the Stanley Cup. They were clearly the best team.

In 1986, the Flames were an emerging team - like in 2018. Both team have good players, but still have holes. Neither is a juggernaut.
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:29 AM   #205
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I was just looking over the roster of the '86 Flames. I had forgotten just how young they were. Here are their top 10 scorers ranked by age:

Lanny McDonald, 32
Doug Risebrough, 31
Hakan Loob, 25
Jim Peplinski, 24
Steve Bozek, 24
Joel Otto, 23
Carey Wilson, 23
Al MacInnis, 22
Gary Suter, 21
Dan Quinn, 20

That doesn't count Joe Mullen, who arrived late in the season, but would count as the team's top scorer based on his numbers for the whole year (77 GP, 44-46-90). He was a greybeard of 28.

The only other notable oldster on the team was Reggie Lemelin, who lost the starter's job to some 22-year-old kid named Vermin or Verdun or something.

It took three years of maturing and several shrewd trades to turn those young guys into champions. If this year's team should follow a similar trajectory, by 2021-22 they'll be scary.
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:31 AM   #206
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This 89 talk is fun and everything but the point isn't that the flames are as good as that team, the point is the flames haven't approached being as good as they are since that time.

The team also doesn't have to be as good as that 89 team because there is no 89 habs equivalent. It's not about ghosts of 89, it's about having one of the most dominating offensive groups in the entire league this season.

The flames.are scoring at will. I don't know that I've ever seen flames team do this to this degree.
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:39 AM   #207
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This 89 talk is fun and everything but the point isn't that the flames are as good as that team, the point is the flames haven't approached being as good as they are since that time.

The team also doesn't have to be as good as that 89 team because there is no 89 habs equivalent. It's not about ghosts of 89, it's about having one of the most dominating offensive groups in the entire league this season.

The flames.are scoring at will. I don't know that I've ever seen flames team do this to this degree.
You don't think there are teams in the league now that are as good as, or better, than the Flames?

I would certainly beg to differ with that opinion.

As for the team "scoring at will", this club is on pace for 294 goals...and 224 against.

That 88-89 club scored 354...and gave up 226.
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:46 AM   #208
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You don't think there are teams in the league now that are as good as, or better, than the Flames?

I would certainly beg to differ with that opinion.

As for the team "scoring at will", this club is on pace for 294 goals...and 224 against.

That 88-89 club scored 354...and gave up 226.
We're just waiting for Neal to get hot
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We're just waiting for Neal to get hot
Alan Quine has 3g 1a in 5 games now.

He'll do for now.

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I understand the inevitable comparisons to '89 (because we've waited so long for a legitimate contender), and I do think that, regardless of era, there are certain qualities that championship teams share (for example, mental toughness, or commitment to certain styles of play).

But I think when we're looking for comparisons to previous Flames teams (especially the '89 one), we're using an improper (and potentially outdated) lens.

For example, the 2004 team was eventually a legitimate Stanley Cup contender that season, but it was nothing like the '89 team. While the '89 team had been building since the early/mid '80s (especially on the '86 chassis, as Eric Vail pointed out above), the 2004 came out of pretty much nowhere, riding the sudden and surprising addition of the franchise's greatest ever goaltender and a hungry young captain. While that 2004 was entertaining as hell to watch, it succeeded on hard work, commitment to a specific style of play, and only a few key "superstar" players. But it wasn't comparable to the '89 team, because the type of depth was different, and the number of bonafide "superstars" on the '89 team was greater. So many players also went on to win Cups with other teams: Mullen (x2), Nieuwendyk (x2), Hrdina (x2), Ramage, Macoun, Vernon).

I guess what I'm saying is that it's hard to compare this current team to any of the 1986, 1989 or 2004 teams because the make-up of each team is so different, and the styles of play required from each are so different, because of how the League has been/is styled in each era. The criteria required to win a championship is not necessarily the same now as it was in any of those previous seasons.

I say this because I think it is more productive to discuss what might help the Flames shore up perceived gaps on the team. In my view, for example, I think it would help to have one more mobile yet bruising defenceman. In part, I think we give up a bit of size to other teams (at the Nashville game last weekend, I noticed the size differential) because we have so many young guys who really aren't quite men yet, physically.

But the reason we're having this fun comparison discussion is that, for the first time in a long time, the Flames are really close to being a complete team, vis-a-vis what the League's playing style demands of a championship-calibre roster. And that's super exciting.

And I should just mention that as I type this, I'm looking at signed photographs of Roberts, Mullen and Gilmour from that '89 year, so, I'm definitely one of those "old guys" who remembers just how special that team was.
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The '89 team was an embarrassment of riches. Players were not making what they deserved and it was easier to stockpile talent. The balance of salary and talent now is a lot more intricate. I am not sure we will see those types of teams again, like the 80s Flames and Oilers.

It's actually sad that the Flames didn't win more Cups in the 80s. That team was stacked, but they weren't the only ones.
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The '89 team was an embarrassment of riches. Players were not making what they deserved and it was easier to stockpile talent. The balance of salary and talent now is a lot more intricate. I am not sure we will see those types of teams again, like the 80s Flames and Oilers.

It's actually sad that the Flames didn't win more Cups in the 80s. That team was stacked, but they weren't the only ones.
That team was stacked except in goal, I still cannot believe they drafted Kidd instead of Brodeur.
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I'm just happy to have a team worth cheering for again. Who knows how long it will last or how far they will go, but right now they are a fun team to be a fan of. That's enough for me and I'm happy to go with that as far as it will take me.
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So many thoughts, but the road to now was built because of some great drafting and some players with real soul.

Gaudreau is an absolute delight and super elite. Monahan is elite in his release, his humble approach and lately he hunts pucks and usually comes up with it in the offensive zone. Lindholm is an absolute elite player who can snipe, make plays and blends well on this top line. I think it's fair to say we snagged an elite player.

Gio is a freaking beast this year. Brodie is flying out there his skates don't touch the ground. Tkachuk just wears them down or outright scores on them, he's become the fingernails on chalkboard but do people even have chalkboards these days?

Our third and fourth line are enough to put them back on their heels. Definitely think and hope we will see more production though.

Like Conroy said today they believe they can win, no matter the odds. I hope that this team has a second gear for the rest of the season and can continue to play with passion and the will to win as we approach the playoffs and that they can find an even higher gear in the playoffs.
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Old 12-17-2018, 03:25 AM   #215
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Well we can say this:

1986 - Quinn
2018 - Quine

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Old 12-17-2018, 04:34 AM   #216
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I woke up early to watch the Minny game yesterday which started at 5:30am, but I didn't know they were playing another afternoon game back-to-back.

Pretty dominant effort in the first period and played even the rest of the game. Great to get scoring from all over the line up with the PP clicking. Rittich played great again as well.

As for all the comparisons to 89, I was pretty young but I remember watching with my Dad when they won the cup. This is the best Flames team I've seen (and can remember). The 04 team caught lightning in a bottle and and 09 team was pretty good with Iggy, Tanguay, Juice, Langkow, Dion. I can't remember so many blowouts and we're only less than half of the way through the season.

It's just so nice to see consistent, entertaining and fun (and winning) hockey. 2014-15 was fun with the cardiac kids, but this seems more sustainable .
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Old 12-17-2018, 04:39 AM   #217
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Comparing Quine to Lucic is hilarious and comparing him to Neal kind of frustrating, but of course neither of those guys are his direct competition.

So here's another comparison: Quine has scored as many goals as Czarnik, Dube, Lomberg, Mangiapane and Peluso combined.

He might not be going back to Stockton any time soon.
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Next question is do they send Valimaki to the farm to get his feet under him when he eventually comes back.
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Old 12-17-2018, 06:07 AM   #219
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Next question is do they send Valimaki to the farm to get his feet under him when he eventually comes back.
My guess would be yes because he’s been out so long and Kylington has looked great.
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Old 12-17-2018, 06:16 AM   #220
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Comparing Quine to Lucic is hilarious and comparing him to Neal kind of frustrating, but of course neither of those guys are his direct competition.

So here's another comparison: Quine has scored as many goals as Czarnik, Dube, Lomberg, Mangiapane and Peluso combined.

He might not be going back to Stockton any time soon.

Wonder what was up with Quine and the Islanders last year anyway. He had a quality playoffs in 15-16, and then a decent full season in 16-17, and then just fizzled out last year after missing the start of the season. Reading about it it seemed the Isles were pretty high on him in their bottom six, but then they weren't. Pretty shrewd pickup by Treliving as the guy clearly is no scrub by any stretch of the imagination. I could really see Quine stealing a permanent spot on this roster.
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