Kulak On Waivers

[Erick Estrada]

I highly doubt Stone would clear. Several teams were hoping he got to free agency last summer with contract offers ready. I doubt much has changed a year later and he’s good value at a $3.5 million cap hit. Not sure why Flames fans seem to have massive expectations for their defensemen. Stone’s a really good bottom pairing defenseman.

[Enoch Root]

Yeah, Stone is an NHL player with a market-value contract - he isn't clearing waivers

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I highly doubt Stone would clear. Several teams were hoping he got to free agency last summer with contract offers ready. I doubt much has changed a year later and he’s good value at a $3.5 million cap hit. Not sure why Flames fans seem to have massive expectations for their defensemen. Stone’s a really good bottom pairing defenseman.

He's good value if you think he's a 4 that is playing in the 5th spot

But as a bottom pairing defenseman he's overpaid by about $1.3M a year. Dman #125 is set to make 2.15M this year.

Stone is an interesting case because he's had some top pairing work with OEL in Arizona, played with Brodie in Calgary, and certainly has some value in his ability to play the PP, kill penalties and move up in case of injury.

I do think this player gets hammered on more than he should, but it's hard to argue that his salary is high ... maybe $1M?

[delayedreflex]

Originally Posted by Bingo

He's good value if you think he's a 4 that is playing in the 5th spot

But as a bottom pairing defenseman he's overpaid by about $1.3M a year. Dman #125 is set to make 2.15M this year.

Stone is an interesting case because he's had some top pairing work with OEL in Arizona, played with Brodie in Calgary, and certainly has some value in his ability to play the PP, kill penalties and move up in case of injury.

I do think this player gets hammered on more than he should, but it's hard to argue that his salary is high ... maybe $1M?

Yeah I guess Treliving covets the large bottom-pairing defenseman that can play up and down the lineup, since he also gave Engelland $2.9M/yr when most at the time agreed he was probably worth a fair bit less than that.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Bingo

He's good value if you think he's a 4 that is playing in the 5th spot

But as a bottom pairing defenseman he's overpaid by about $1.3M a year. Dman #125 is set to make 2.15M this year.

Stone is an interesting case because he's had some top pairing work with OEL in Arizona, played with Brodie in Calgary, and certainly has some value in his ability to play the PP, kill penalties and move up in case of injury.

I do think this player gets hammered on more than he should, but it's hard to argue that his salary is high ... maybe $1M?

Agreed - if its is high, it's high by an amount that is basically a rounding error in an 80m cap world.

And the reason Tre values him where he is in part because he's proven that he is capable of playing a top-4 role if needed to. If a top-4 goes down the scf or wcf, and stone can step in without much trouble...that's worth something.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by calf

It fills me with so much irrational rage when Friedman uses CAL instead of CGY

Then it's working . I remember hearing Freidge mention he uses it on purpose after some guys on twitter went off on him for using it. So he purposely does it every chance he gets just to troll people. Lol, I think it's hilarious.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

He's good value if you think he's a 4 that is playing in the 5th spot

But as a bottom pairing defenseman he's overpaid by about $1.3M a year. Dman #125 is set to make 2.15M this year.

Stone is an interesting case because he's had some top pairing work with OEL in Arizona, played with Brodie in Calgary, and certainly has some value in his ability to play the PP, kill penalties and move up in case of injury.

I do think this player gets hammered on more than he should, but it's hard to argue that his salary is high ... maybe $1M?

He was a UFA. Likely the Flames were not going to sign him for 2.5 x 3.

Almost all UFA's are overpaid by 1M. It is just a fact. Chances are that Ryan is overpaid by 1M along with Neal and Backlund. That is the cost of trading away draft picks, drafting poorly and not developing your own players when your good developed players hit UFA status.

Wideman, Brouwer, Stajan, Raymond , Engelland all were UFAs and all were overpaid.

Frolik was good value for his first 2 years of his UFA deal and now looks to be overpaid the last 3 years of his deal.


Hudler might have been the only notable UFA signing that the Flames made that outperformed his 4x4. and then the Flames got a 2nd and a 4th for him.

Gio is living up to his UFA contract after year 2 of 6.

[dino7c]

Should be a reality check for both Kulak and CP

Vegas could have had Kulak and DE if they wanted last year

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Agreed - if its is high, it's high by an amount that is basically a rounding error in an 80m cap world.

And the reason Tre values him where he is in part because he's proven that he is capable of playing a top-4 role if needed to. If a top-4 goes down the scf or wcf, and stone can step in without much trouble...that's worth something.

Like Morrow and Chairot did for the Jets when they were down 3 d-men and like what Andersson and Kulak possibly Kylington might do if pushed into playing an important role... paying a #5 like a #4 and not having skilled RW in your top-6 is an extravagance.

Hamonic and Brodie were having as much a problem as any second pairing in the league and Stone did not step up..... although that could have as much to do with coaching as Stone"s ability and potential.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Like Morrow and Chairot did for the Jets when they were down 3 d-men and like what Andersson and Kulak possibly Kylington might do if pushed into playing an important role... paying a #5 like a #4 and not having skilled RW in your top-6 is an extravagance.

Hamonic and Brodie were having as much a problem as any second pairing in the league and Stone did not step up..... although that could have as much to do with coaching as Stone"s ability and potential.

Did Lindholm and Neal get traded?

[TheScorpion]

Is Ricardo talking about the Jets again? Huh, curious.

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by calf

It fills me with so much irrational rage when Friedman uses CAL instead of CGY

You should change your username to cgyf.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by delayedreflex

Treliving covets the large bottom-pairing defenseman...... .

I had trouble reading after this....

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Hockey Fan #751

You should change your username to cgyf.

Great minds....
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=196

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I had trouble reading after this....

So Treliving likes his defensemen with a little extra donk in the badonkadonk... don't be such a prude.

[curves2000]

Anybody else sometimes believe that players get terrible advice or don't think rationally when it comes to their contract situation?

Of course everybody wants the big contract with all the cheddar that goes along with it, but how many average players end up getting railroaded out of the league because contract terms end up being too high or they become replaceable very easily and for cheaper? This also has the effect of limiting their careers and their earning potential in the NHL.

I always was amazed at how a player like Rob Niedermayer, a decent player who was drafted very high, ended up having such a long career. This guy would always sign the $1-2 million dollar deals and was always in demand for his services and was able to parlay that into I believe a 20 year career? Probably made a lot more money over the course of the long-term than if he had gone for the jugular during contracts.

I remember reading about Deryk Engelend and how his agent at the time, didn't like the contract he was being offered in NJ I believe so he advised against signing. He ended up spending the next 6 years in the minors and admitted it wasn't worth it in the end.

Warrener and other players who have either sat out, had contract negotiations drag on admit years later that they should have signed right away or for the values being offered.

Curtis Glencross was rumored to have wanted something like a 5X5 deal. He was probably closer to a 3 years at $10 mil, a decent raise over his previous deal. In the end the market squeezed him out and he probably ended up NOT making $13+ million Canadian in gross earnings. Some legit figures here for ordinary people who come from ordinary families.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Anybody else sometimes believe that players get terrible advice or don't think rationally when it comes to their contract situation?

No. I'm sure a few do but I'm equally sure the vast majority get proper advice and leverage it to an acceptable outcome.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Should be a reality check for both Kulak and CP

Vegas could have had Kulak and DE if they wanted last year

I shook my head when people wanted to trade Brodie and stated Kulak is already better and would be fine in the top 4. Kulak is going to struggle to make this team with Valimaki, Andersson and Kylington pushing for spots.

[ForeverFlameFan]

We need to keep Stone in case one of Hamonic or Brodie go down on the RD side. He's a great back up player to play in the top 4 if need be. I know we like Andersson and all, but I'd be hesitant to even slot him in the top 4.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Anybody else sometimes believe that players get terrible advice or don't think rationally when it comes to their contract situation?

Of course everybody wants the big contract with all the cheddar that goes along with it, but how many average players end up getting railroaded out of the league because contract terms end up being too high or they become replaceable very easily and for cheaper? This also has the effect of limiting their careers and their earning potential in the NHL.

I always was amazed at how a player like Rob Niedermayer, a decent player who was drafted very high, ended up having such a long career. This guy would always sign the $1-2 million dollar deals and was always in demand for his services and was able to parlay that into I believe a 20 year career? Probably made a lot more money over the course of the long-term than if he had gone for the jugular during contracts.

I remember reading about Deryk Engelend and how his agent at the time, didn't like the contract he was being offered in NJ I believe so he advised against signing. He ended up spending the next 6 years in the minors and admitted it wasn't worth it in the end.

Warrener and other players who have either sat out, had contract negotiations drag on admit years later that they should have signed right away or for the values being offered.

Curtis Glencross was rumored to have wanted something like a 5X5 deal. He was probably closer to a 3 years at $10 mil, a decent raise over his previous deal. In the end the market squeezed him out and he probably ended up NOT making $13+ million Canadian in gross earnings. Some legit figures here for ordinary people who come from ordinary families.

For every Rob Neidermeyer, there are 10 guys who play 1-3 years for league minimum or two ways and never get resigned.

Neidermeyer really wasn't even that bad. He played through the dead puck era and ended up with 469 in 1153 games often with few offensive opportunities. I'm sure having one of the greatest players of all time as your brother doesn't hurt.

The sad truth is that players need to squeeze as much out of each contract as they can. They are always one knee injury away from having it all slip away.