Fire Dave Cameron

[dustygoon]

Is there some math behind pulling goalie 4 mins left and down two goals?

[OldDutch]

He’ll be shown the door with GG if anything. This is GG problem to fix seeing he is in charge of the bench.

I kind of appreciate it actually, if not for the fact it is going to cost us a season.

[Mr.Coffee]

maybe a stupid question but how is everyone so certain Cameron is still in charge- or ever was- of the powerplay?

Like I'm sure others are involved in this strategy, no?

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Is there some math behind pulling goalie 4 mins left and down two goals?

didn't Calgary have a PP at the time?

[codynw]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

didn't Calgary have a PP at the time?

No

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Is there some math behind pulling goalie 4 mins left and down two goals?

While I don't have the "math" in front of me, are we really disputing that the odds of the Flames (or any team) scoring two even strength goals with 4 mins left we pretty close to 0?

I'd say most teams look to pull the goalie around the 2min mark when down by 1, so 4 mins down by 4 seems about right. Not like they need to protect against losing by more, who cares.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

maybe a stupid question but how is everyone so certain Cameron is still in charge- or ever was- of the powerplay?

Like I'm sure others are involved in this strategy, no?

Whelp, the hope has to be it’s Cameron - because if it’s Gully, then it’s pretty damning.

The strategy deployed is pitiful.


...maybe we just have a super duper strategy we’re saving for the playoffs? Big ol surprise?...right?...fellas?...right?

[midniteowl]

If Cameron isn't in charge of the power play, then what is he in charge of?

[circle]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Is there some math behind pulling goalie 4 mins left and down two goals?

The only reason I can see pulling the goalie with that much time left was because we had a match-up of our first line out there while the Bergeron line was on the bench. Really curious decision since it came back to bite us within seconds after we gave up possession there.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Is there some math behind pulling goalie 4 mins left and down two goals?

I'm not sure how things shake out for two goals, but the math suggests that the optimal time to pull with a one-goal deficit is somewhere between 2:30-3:00 left. Coaches have, historically, been excessively conservative.

[nemanja2306]

Honest question - who actually hires/fires assistant coaches? Techincally, the GM does the actual work, but do the HC have any input at all?

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[Radio]

What's Gelinas doing? He knows a thing or two about scoring goals. Time to bring him down and get him working on the PP.

[Royle9]

Found this gem on reddit just this morning: (Not my work)

The Flames this season are ranked 27th on the Power Play with 16.6%. The Columbus Blue Jackets are 31st with 14.9%.

• In 2018, the Flames are 6/65 on the PP (9.2%).
• In the month of January, they went 3/43 (7%).
• In the month of February, we’re 3/22 (13.6%), which is slightly better, but the month is only half over.
• The Flames receive, on average, 3.6 PP’s per game and score, on average, 1 PP goal every 3 games.
• In our last 10 games, we are 4-4-2 and 3/33 on the PP (9.1%).
• We have played 18 games in 2018. We have received at least 1 power play in 17 of those games, and we’ve only scored a power play goal in 6. We are 6/24 (25%) in those 6 games. We are 0/41 in those other 11 games.
• In the 5 games this year where we lost by 1 point, the Flames are 2/21 (9.5%).

The Flames still haven’t fired Dave Cameron.

[Ryan Coke]

The head coach is still the one responsible.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Found this gem on reddit just this morning: (Not my work)

The Flames this season are ranked 27th on the Power Play with 16.6%. The Columbus Blue Jackets are 31st with 14.9%.

• In 2018, the Flames are 6/65 on the PP (9.2%).
• In the month of January, they went 3/43 (7%).
• In the month of February, we’re 3/22 (13.6%), which is slightly better, but the month is only half over.
• The Flames receive, on average, 3.6 PP’s per game and score, on average, 1 PP goal every 3 games.
• In our last 10 games, we are 4-4-2 and 3/33 on the PP (9.1%).
• We have played 18 games in 2018. We have received at least 1 power play in 17 of those games, and we’ve only scored a power play goal in 6. We are 6/24 (25%) in those 6 games. We are 0/41 in those other 11 games.
• In the 5 games this year where we lost by 1 point, the Flames are 2/21 (9.5%).

The Flames still haven’t fired Dave Cameron.

A few teams have to be the worst on the PP.

NHL PPs are heavily weighted towards the luck end of the spectrum.

Unless you have Ovechkin seems like your options on the PP are the same as everyone else's. Pass it around and hope the other team screws up or you get a good bounce.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

NHL PPs are heavily weighted towards the luck end of the spectrum.

How are you concluding this?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

The head coach is still the one responsible.

This. It's not like he's the CEO of a 10,000 person corporation. There are but a handful of assistants on the team and the head coach has direct oversight over all of them. If you believe coaching is the problem with the PP, Gulutzan is the one who needs to answer for it.

Seems like NFL and MLB assistants get replaced more routinely. Not unusual to see mid season replacements for pitching coaches, defensive assistants etc.

I hope this loyalty ultimately pays off. Certainly GG and BT can see that the PP is losing the team some games.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

How are you concluding this?

Average team gets roughly 250 power plays a season.
Average team scores about 50ish goals a year. A 5 goal swing can put a team from 15th to top ten or bottom ten. A ten goal swing is massive.

So it doesn't take much random chance to affect the outcomes.

If PPs were 100% skill based then Pittsburgh/Washington would finish 1st every single season.

I mean certain teams do well over stretches of time. Like the Capitals. It's clear that skill is important. Ovechkin for instance is pretty much the only guy in the league that can beat goalies clean with a long range wrister in today's game. That has tremendous value.

But you can look at a team like San Jose. They've had basically the same top players for years. So lots of chemistry, and talent, and their PP fluctuates wildly from one year to the next.

I mean all NHL teams know what each other are doing. They essentially all play the same systems. Anyone can break down Washington's PP on tape easily, but they can't copy it because they don't have Ovechkin.

So what's a PP coach realistically going to do?

[zamler]

I guess Pittsburgh is just super lucky on the power play.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Average team gets roughly 250 power plays a season.
Average team scores about 50ish goals a year. A 5 goal swing can put a team from 15th to top ten or bottom ten. A ten goal swing is massive.

So it doesn't take much random chance to affect the outcomes.

If PPs were 100% skill based then Pittsburgh/Washington would finish 1st every single season.

I mean certain teams do well over stretches of time. Like the Capitals. It's clear that skill is important. Ovechkin for instance is pretty much the only guy in the league that can beat goalies clean with a long range wrister in today's game. That has tremendous value.

But you can look at a team like San Jose. They've had basically the same top players for years. So lots of chemistry, and talent, and their PP fluctuates wildly from one year to the next.

I mean all NHL teams know what each other are doing. They essentially all play the same systems. Anyone can break down Washington's PP on tape easily, but they can't copy it because they don't have Ovechkin.

So what's a PP coach realistically going to do?

So if there is any consistency in a powerplay season to season, it's because of players like Ovechkin?

I agree that there is randomness to powerplays. However, when one looks as defunct and confused as the Flames, it's an issue. A powerplay with players like Gaudreau, Monahan, Giordano, Hamilton, and Tkachuk should not look so absolutely lost 98% of the time they are on the ice.

Randomness might make a good powerplay rank in the top 5, but it certainly won't make a hopeless one operate in that position.