[PGT] Flames lose 3-2 to San Jose

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Monahan had a couple chances and missed, same with Backlund. Their finish has been off for three games now. I expect it to return though.

Backlund is a lot of things...he is not a finisher though

Monahan yes I expect him to return to form

Still, overall the forwards are lacking skill

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Your second sentence is his point.

Yup misread it.

[TenaciousC]

Originally Posted by kevman

Canadian rebuild syndrome.

The Flames weren't ready to go all in. This is what happens when you get ahead of yourself in the middle of a rebuild.

I still think they're a good team and they make the playoffs. Although they look to be trending to a wild card spot again. It's easy to get upset by this but look at the teams in front. Vegas and LA are top 5 NHL teams. Heading into the season who honestly felt Calgary was going to be one of the best teams in the league? If you did you were just setting yourself up for disappointment.

I think that the Flames have shown that the have the talent to be in the top 10 in the league. However they have also shown us that they either don't have the desire to show up every night, or they are just that inconsistent that they can't execute to a level required to be a top team in the conference.

Personally I think the systems are crap, they have very little puck support in all areas of the ice and rarely enter the offensive zone with speed and numbers

[Tinordi]

Not enough ability to score. Frolik gets an early Christmas present. Then the best player in the tab comes through even though he's had a pretty mediocre game. Then a bunch of close calls by players who can't reliably finish.

The book on how to beat the Flames is out. Frustrate the top line while your top line gets killed by 3M and then win it with your special teams/depth scoring.

If the flames top line isn't humming then it's a tough out for two points.

[Racki]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its just too hard for them to score, they need to play the perfect game to win and it just isn't realistic. Mistakes are gonna happen....2 or 3 goals against shouldn't be a guaranteed loss.

Similar to the Brent Sutter era in that way. Have to be almost perfect to win. There were many that believed Brent was a lousy coach too, many defended him. He was proven to be as terrible as was suspected and couldn't find work in the NHL ever again.

[WhiteTiger]

That was a rough one to watch.

Flames showed up for 25 minutes. The first 10 and the first 15 of the third.

That was some impressive boo'ing from the fans on the Johnny trip/3rd goal for the sharks, though.

[TenaciousC]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

That was a rough one to watch.

Flames showed up for 25 minutes. The first 10 and the first 15 of the third.

That was some impressive boo'ing from the fans on the Johnny trip/3rd goal for the sharks, though.

He wasn't tripped, it was just a solid defensive play by the D-man that made Johnny fall and get knocked off the puck

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Vegas wins again.

Maybe Nenshi has a grand plan. No arena so Flames move. After the next election we get a new arena and an expansion team. New team makes the playoffs in its first year.

I'm on the Vegas bandwagon this year. When I can catch their games it's so refreshing to watch a team work that hard and get contributions from everyone in the lineup, polar opposite of watching the Flames

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Spoiler!

So close, yet so far

That video gave me a big chuckle I really needed after such a frustrating loss. Thanks huntingwhale!

The team is better defensively and deserved at least a point tonite.

PP and home record are the glaring issues with this team before they can make a step beyond a bubble team. Figure it out GG. The masses are getting very restless.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by TenaciousC

He wasn't tripped, it was just a solid defensive play by the D-man that made Johnny fall and get knocked off the puck

Ok. From the angle I saw it on at the 'Dome (nearly head on) it looked like a trip, and I've not had a chance to watch a replay since. So... from the Johnny misplay to the 3rd Sharks goal was some impressive booing.

[sa226]

Maybe they'll follow the Winnipeg Jets model of being good the year after everyone thought that they should fire the coach.

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[CGY12]

Forever destined for mediocrity. I've said it before and I'll say it again, GG is NOT the guy to lead this team to the next level. Under his tenure we've seen some pretty average hockey outside of a 10 game win streak, and he's had really what 115 games to show an improvement?

This doesn't mean I don't think the Flames are missing anything, they need more punch upfront and the D is vastly overrated but GG seems like he's sucked literally all the enthusiasm to play the game from the team. I hate to bring it up but under Hartley the team battled, fought, played with pace, and outside of a few pieces the core was pretty much the same, supporting cast being worse. On top of that his decision making is just bizarre (Brouwer PP, Brodie on the #1 unit with no shooters on the point, the 4th line on the ice in key moments, etc.).

But I always ask myself, "Do I see something special being built?" and I think I can say pretty confidently no and the first change that needs to be made is a new coach. Otherwise get used to being average.

[Racki]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I'm on the Vegas bandwagon this year. When I can catch their games it's so refreshing to watch a team work that hard and get contributions from everyone in the lineup, polar opposite of watching the Flames

I bet that's how our Flames would be described if Gerard Gallant was our head coach.

The reason Gallant was fired by the Panthers was primarily because they fell in love with analytics and Gallant coached more like they did 15-20 years ago.

I have no doubt that all of the fancy metrics mean something in the long run. Having a feel for the game, understanding your players strengths and weaknesses, motivating your group (and individuals) and relying on tried and true methods still has a place in the game.

I wish we had ended up with the other GG.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by 868904

Maybe they should bar these players from going home to visit their families and make them stay at hotels when in Calgary.

Darryl did this for Game 6 against SJ in 04 and won us the series. It was a weird series where the victories went to the away team in all 5 games up to then. Glen should try the same.

Some are pointing out that he used a timeout. Yeah he called a timeout tonight, but it was in the 3rd and Cameron looked to be the one directing traffic. I would've much preferred he do it after the Sharks scored to make it 2-1 so the boys calmed down instead of the whole pathetic "please let's just make it out of this period without getting down 2 goals" deal we got for the latter half of that 2nd.

We were fortunate not to be looking at a 2 goal deficit in the 2nd intermission with how tilted the ice was and how much the guys were feeling sorry for themselves.

[blender]

Originally Posted by TenaciousC

He wasn't tripped, it was just a solid defensive play by the D-man that made Johnny fall and get knocked off the puck

True, but seems like a pretty clear obstruction-type call. The little push down on Johnny's hips has a s much or more of an effect as the very light slashes to the hands they are calling everywhere. It obstructs a good player from creating offense.
I get why it wasn't called, but maybe it should be a penalty.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Karl

He's good at screening the goalie once in a blue moon. He usually is a liability on the PP or the Brouwerplay.

How is he a liability on the power play? The PP issues are not related to him. He's just an easy target to blame because he's the worst player of the 5 on the ice and he has a big salary.

While I agree he shouldn't be on the power play as we have better options, I would never call him the issue or a liability during the current swell of ineptitude.

[united]

The Flames run a powerplay tactic where primary goal is rebound generation with the secondary goal being getting Monahan a slot opportunity. The Flames have made it work in the Gulutzan era decently well, placing 12th in powerplay % over that time.

The thing is, of the various powerplay tactics, no tactic looks worse than a rebound-focused powerplay when on a cold run because it looks like the players are lobbing weak and poor-angled shots at nothing. At least with one-timer-based (Capitals) or rotation-based (Penguins) tactics they still look good even when they are on a cold run, and they are deadly when all cylinders are firing.

Personally, I'm not a big proponent of the rebound-based tactic but the Flames do make it work better than many other teams' tactic does. I would prefer a one-timer-based system but the outside of Giordano the Flames don't have a great option (hard and accurate) so it's not really a realistic option. A rotation-based tactic would be interesting but you would have to go 4F-1D with Giordano and Hamilton being the two D, because the others don't have the offensive movement required, which then means you can't deploy them as a pairing right after the powerplay finishes.


Now, the zone entries are just a complete joke. How, at this point, they run an entry scheme with two options, one being dump-and-chase, is beyond me. The coaching staff should be embarrassed with that pathetic system.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I'm on the Vegas bandwagon this year. When I can catch their games it's so refreshing to watch a team work that hard and get contributions from everyone in the lineup, polar opposite of watching the Flames

Cheering on a division rival.

Gross.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

How is he a liability on the power play? The PP issues are not related to him. He's just an easy target to blame because he's the worst player of the 5 on the ice and he has a big salary.

While I agree he shouldn't be on the power play as we have better options, I would never call him the issue or a liability during the current swell of ineptitude.

Because he is no good offensively anymore, so he is a part of the problem, even if he's not the biggest problem on the power play.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Karl

Because he is no good offensively anymore, so he is a part of the problem, even if he's not the biggest problem on the power play.

When I see the word "liability", I think defensive liability and that he's causing issues that threaten the flames net.

He's definitely part of the problem. All 5 of them are.