[Rumour] Something up in Buffalo? Treliving scouting back to back Sabres games

[Young_Guns]

Originally Posted by BigRed

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Agreed on the first statement. Your second is your typical gross misrepresentation. The only person who has made a suggestion of the price for Eichel being Brodie is you. As noted, the proposals all include Brodie as a piece, but not remotely close to the whole.



That said, the Sabres just turfed their GM because Eichel wanted it. They aren't going to change their course again and move him. He's not going anywhere. Given how desperately the Sabres need to shake things up, I'd imagine anyone else off that roster is available though.

I was referring to Brodie being the center piece of a deal for Eichel which is absurd.

Because you're quick to defend this, I'm eager to hear what you think the ++ is to bring this conversation into the spectre of reality.

[Matty81]

I don't even think Tkaczuk was a bust. He was as good as Janko in the AHL at a much younger age during his rookie season. Comes up the next season at 20/21 and put up 11 points in 19 games before he landed on his face on the ice in Phoenix and had that terrible concussion destroy his career.

He was never the same player after.... that was just straight up bad luck for him and the Flames. I still think his downside was 50 points a year and a responsible 2 way player, he looked really good in that 20 game stretch to me.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

Yah Bennett, you know the guy who's going to be the Flames biggest draft bust, yup him.

The 2nd youngest player on the team is already a bust?

I'm not happy with his progression either but some players are like Backlund instead of like Monahan, Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

Yes even highly drafted ones sometimes require PATIENCE!

[dissentowner]

The Sabres are not trading Eichel. The only piece they have that I would be interested in that might be able to be acquired is A. Nylander and I don't see why they would move him.

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

The 2nd youngest player on the team is already a bust?

I'm not happy with his progression either but some players are like Backlund instead of like Monahan, Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

Yes even highly drafted ones sometimes require PATIENCE!

He's regressed so much year over year.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

He's regressed so much year over year.

Every good player in the league has maintained a linear progression throughout their careers?

All I'm saying is his value is not very high now so why give up on him? He is young and you should at least give him til the end of his new contract to prove himself.

He is getting himself into good scoring position and getting chances but isn't burying them right now. If he was not getting chances I would be much more concerned.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

He's regressed so much year over year.

He played on the wing with Backlund and Frolik in year 1.

Then he played centre with Troy Brouwer and a random mish-mash of bad hockey players. Troy Brouwer is so bad that he neuters Sean Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau when he's on their line...yet you expect Bennett to be able to produce with him?

We're starting to see Bennett round back into form now that he finally has some decent guys to play with. Bennett - Jankowski - Jagr is going to be a huge strength down the stretch.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Every good player in the league has maintained a linear progression throughout their careers?

All I'm saying is his value is not very high now so why give up on him? He is young and you should at least give him til the end of his new contract to prove himself.

He is getting himself into good scoring position and getting chances but isn't burying them right now. If he was not getting chances I would be much more concerned.

the flip side is by end of that contract think of how far that asset has diminished in value if all things stay the same.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Yoho

the flip side is by end of that contract think of how far that asset has diminished in value if all things stay the same.

What's the best you think BT could get for him right now?

Unless he's part of a package I bet the best you could get is a similarly struggling player or a late 1st round pick.

You want someone else's castoff or try and see things through with the guy we have and know has the tools and instincts, just can't put it all together yet? Or do you want a late first and hope that player amounts to something after a few years of development?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Bawbag

Such a negative way to look at things.
I'd hope even although our top 6 is on fire that our gm is still trying to improve our team will.
Our top 6 is amazing imagine adding another piece toake it even better ?

Imagine being able to grow from inside. I honestly do not understand why people feel Bennett is a bust.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

What's the best you think BT could get for him right now?

Unless he's part of a package I bet the best you could get is a similarly struggling player or a late 1st round pick.

You want someone else's castoff or try and see things through with the guy we have and know has the tools and instincts, just can't put it all together yet? Or do you want a late first and hope that player amounts to something after a few years of development?

I’m just not sure the hockey IQ is there. I’d take a chance on Reinhart if the opportunity presented and look to replace Bennett’s “fiesty” play through the draft or players existing in the organization.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I was referring to Brodie being the center piece of a deal for Eichel which is absurd.

Because you're quick to defend this, I'm eager to hear what you think the ++ is to bring this conversation into the spectre of reality.

I already answered that question, actually - I don't think the Sabres are even considering moving Eichel, so there is no reasonable answer for a "++" to make such a trade work.

Thus, we have to look at an unreasonable price. Two posters with opposing views were fairly accurate, I think. One said that it would cost us Gaudreau and Monahan to pry Eichel loose. Another said Eichel is not worth that. IMO, both are right. Which is why there is no realistic path to acquiring Eichel.

[Madman]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

Yah Bennett, you know the guy who's going to be the Flames biggest draft bust, yup him.

He better start on the new diet then.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by Madman

He better start on the new diet then.

We are talking about busting on the ice, not busting at the seams.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Azure

Imagine being able to grow from inside. I honestly do not understand why people feel Bennett is a bust.

Well, I don't think you can necessarily blame people for thinking this way. A 4th overall pick who was rated #1 by Central Scouting carries immense expectations. He's regressed every year so far and he's been hurting his team with the type of penalties he takes and the poor overall play. I can see why people would think this. But for the record, I do think Bennett will eventually put it together, even if it takes a few years for him to fully mature. He may not be the #1 center that everyone projected him to be, but I'd be ok with a 2nd or 3rd line center who can score 20 goals and play with a ton of grit and edge.

[neo45]

We should just be insanely patient with Bennett. Now that he has cut down on the stupid penalties he isn't hurting us out there. And he still has the potential to be a grittier version of Nazem Kadri.


Different players develop at different speeds. He is still two years younger than Jankowski

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Well, I don't think you can necessarily blame people for thinking this way. A 4th overall pick who was rated #1 by Central Scouting carries immense expectations. He's regressed every year so far and he's been hurting his team with the type of penalties he takes and the poor overall play. I can see why people would think this. But for the record, I do think Bennett will eventually put it together, even if it takes a few years for him to fully mature. He may not be the #1 center that everyone projected him to be, but I'd be ok with a 2nd or 3rd line center who can score 20 goals and play with a ton of grit and edge.

Is it fair to say that his play is actually regressing? I understand his point totals are but I have seen him gradually improving over the course of this season. I think his latest stretch of games have been night and day compared to his start of the season.

I think there is still a lot to like about him as a player. The biggest drawback would of course be the dumb penalties but he has cut down on those recently.

[Madman]

Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan

We are talking about busting on the ice, not busting at the seams.

I'd petition he was both.

[Roof-Daddy]

Thinking about it, if the Flames decide they want to go all in on this season, adding a guy like O'Reilly would be massive. Get them to retain $750k (keeps his cap hit @ $6,750,000) and you do a couple things:

1. Make the center depth ridiculous for the remainder of the season.

Monahan
Backlund
O'Reilly
Jankowski

2. Replace Backlund after this season with a guy who is 2 years younger and signed until he's 31. O'Reilly is very similar to Backlund. Weaker on the advanced stats, but brings more offense and better face off abilities. From 2018/19 onward:

Monahan (24)
O'Reilly (27)
Jankowski (24)


I don't know what the Flames would have to give up, but if they'd want to do it right away some cap would have to go the other way, but if they wait a couple more months closer to the deadline they could fit him in without shedding salary.

Obviously this would be an all in move, so no Treliving wouldn't be likely to trade valuable pieces from the actual NHL roster to get it done. It would most likely have to be futures and in this case that would mean high end prospects, because the Flames are low on high end draft picks.