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[shotinthebacklund]

Think I finally figured this Gif thing out
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....SERIOUSLY... I know know what my parents feel like using a computer.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think some of this stuff is chicken or egg though isn't it?

They started the season without Jagr, and Ferland was given the spot. He was a tire fire so they started trying other options.

Then Jagr joins the team but isn't really game ready. The result is a struggling first line with Ferland mailing it in, and a third line that looks good but gets nothing done.

So he moves Jagr to Monahan and Gaudreau's wing hoping that even with Jagr not finishing he may keep the plays alive and get Monahan and Gaudreau going.

Then Jagr gets hurt.

This isn't blender for the sake of blender. It's a guy trying to plug three holes in the dam with only two thumbs.

I think he was out coaching himself. I think at the beginning of the season you have to give the guys some time to work out the rust. ESPECIALLY if the team was winning. There was no reason to shake up the lines at that point. Plus as has been written a lot over the summer, the key to the Flames taking the next step is Sam Bennett. GG needed to have handled Bennett with care as his confidence is extremely fragile. I don't agree with the first line as being a hole. Gaudreau and Monahan would have been fine with whoever is on RW they've proven it already, could they be better with a bonafide right winger? yes but its not a huge hole as is being made out; plus both those guys were on fire, there was no need to move Jagr onto that line at the expense of Bennett's development.

Now, Bennett's confidence is shot. Who know if he will recover. He looks absolutely lost right now. For a guy who is known for his competitive fire, he looks like Tom Erixon out there the last three games. Think about it from Bennett's perspective:

1) Has a long drawn out contract negotiation and eventually signs a weak deal relative to this contemporaries;
2) Has a great pre-season and is estatic that the GM goes out and signs Jagr with the idea that he will help Bennett. Finally, Bennett has a legit skilled winger to play with;
3) Is a bit snakebitten to start the season, could have had a few assists if his linemates could finish;
4) Gets a few games with Jagr and is developing some chemistry, could have had a few assists but Jagr is rusty;
5) Jagr gets moved off his line and he's back to playing with Versteeg and Brouwer!
6) Team struggles and still no points;
7) Gets moved to the wing as Jankowski gets called up - talk about demoralizing, basically your employer thinks you aren't cut out for the job.

So they take away his skilled winger and dump the two anchors from last year back onto him, and then say he isn't cut out to be a centre and move him to the wing.

I know Bennett put on a brave face after being moved to the wing, and he had a good first game, but it's been all down hill since then. He has looked absolutely terrible that last 3 games.

Hopefully they can keep Jagr with Bennett for the next little while and let him build his confidence back.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by 868904

I think he was out coaching himself. I think at the beginning of the season you have to give the guys some time to work out the rust. ESPECIALLY if the team was winning. There was no reason to shake up the lines at that point. Plus as has been written a lot over the summer, the key to the Flames taking the next step is Sam Bennett. GG needed to have handled Bennett with care as his confidence is extremely fragile. I don't agree with the first line as being a hole. Gaudreau and Monahan would have been fine with whoever is on RW they've proven it already, could they be better with a bonafide right winger? yes but its not a huge hole as is being made out; plus both those guys were on fire, there was no need to move Jagr onto that line at the expense of Bennett's development.

Now, Bennett's confidence is shot. Who know if he will recover. He looks absolutely lost right now. For a guy who is known for his competitive fire, he looks like Tom Erixon out there the last three games. Think about it from Bennett's perspective:

1) Has a long drawn out contract negotiation and eventually signs a weak deal relative to this contemporaries;
2) Has a great pre-season and is estatic that the GM goes out and signs Jagr with the idea that he will help Bennett. Finally, Bennett has a legit skilled winger to play with;
3) Is a bit snakebitten to start the season, could have had a few assists if his linemates could finish;
4) Gets a few games with Jagr and is developing some chemistry, could have had a few assists but Jagr is rusty;
5) Jagr gets moved off his line and he's back to playing with Versteeg and Brouwer!
6) Team struggles and still no points;
7) Gets moved to the wing as Jankowski gets called up - talk about demoralizing, basically your employer thinks you aren't cut out for the job.

So they take away his skilled winger and dump the two anchors from last year back onto him, and then say he isn't cut out to be a centre and move him to the wing.

I know Bennett put on a brave face after being moved to the wing, and he had a good first game, but it's been all down hill since then. He has looked absolutely terrible that last 3 games.

Hopefully they can keep Jagr with Bennett for the next little while and let him build his confidence back.

Screw his confidence. He needs to put on his big boy pants and just go produce already.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Think I finally figured this Gif thing out

....SERIOUSLY... I know know what my parents feel like using a computer.

You may have to resist the urge to go nuts, like my friend's mother once she discovered her emoji library.

It seems like everyone's first take with technology, particularly the kinds that enable creativity and imagination, is to do whatever entails the "woooooooo!!" reaction.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by 868904

I think he was out coaching himself. I think at the beginning of the season you have to give the guys some time to work out the rust. ESPECIALLY if the team was winning. There was no reason to shake up the lines at that point. Plus as has been written a lot over the summer, the key to the Flames taking the next step is Sam Bennett. GG needed to have handled Bennett with care as his confidence is extremely fragile. I don't agree with the first line as being a hole. Gaudreau and Monahan would have been fine with whoever is on RW they've proven it already, could they be better with a bonafide right winger? yes but its not a huge hole as is being made out; plus both those guys were on fire, there was no need to move Jagr onto that line at the expense of Bennett's development.

Becomes a tight box doesn't it?

Leave the lines and he's an idiot. Changes the lines and he's out coaching himself.

4th overall pick hasn't found it under two coaches and now has a lack of confidence and it's the coaches fault, when the coach has only scratched him once in a season and an 1/8th of work.

Not sure I agree.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Becomes a tight box doesn't it?

Leave the lines and he's an idiot. Changes the lines and he's out coaching himself.

4th overall pick hasn't found it under two coaches and now has a lack of confidence and it's the coaches fault, when the coach has only scratched him once in a season and an 1/8th of work.

Not sure I agree.

I disagree that Sam hadn't found it under Hartley. Outside of a weak stretch on Markus Granlund's wing, Bennett's rookie season was throughly encouraging. Even centering Colborne or Ferland or Bouma he looked good. Bob even mentioned Sam was taking on tougher mathups as a center than Monahan at the same age.


Bennett's second season also started well. Especially at ES, even though the PP part was lagging it was clearly a source of confidence and comfort - it's extra touches through out a game without needing to be overly conservative.

It went to #### when Gulutzan took power play away from Bennett and gave it to Frolik, who hasn't exactly been amazing on the PP.

Could a 6 year pro probably work his way out of this slump without PP time? Maybe(thogh Brouwer/Stajan/Versteeg have hardly lit the world on fire outside of power play). A 21 year old in his 3rd season may not "deserve" power play time the way a 28 year old vet like Frolik might seem to but:
1) You have already organizationally made the choice to develop Sam in the NHL. So carry through.
2) Frolik has zero PP points. He had four last year. His ceiling as a 2nd unit power play option is well established. He is in no want for minutes given his role on the PP/3v3/5v5. You are not taking Nikita Kucherov off the PP to get Bennett going.... You may actually be hurting your team ceiling as Bennett had as many PP goals last year as Frolik had PP points)

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Lots of positives last night. Solid effort from everyone - although the 4th line is nothing but a liability, despite the effort put forward.

Francis spoke during one of the intermissions about breaking up the 3M line...I think it’s time. Right now, the only consistent offence we get is funnelled through #13. We certainly have the ability on the roster to be more dangerous...

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik
Tkachuk - Jankowski - Jagr
Versteeg - Lazar - Brouwer

That would be cool to see.

I think someone mentioned the other night that we should do something like this:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Bennett
Tkachuk - Jankowski - Jagr
Versteeg - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - Lazar - Brouwer

I think it would add interesting elements to each line. For now you could move Ferland to Janko's line while Jagr is out. On the PP, I would like to see Bennett in front of the net on the 1st unit instead of Brouwer and get Stone out there with his bomb from the point on the 2nd unit once in a while.

[calgaryblood]

Don't know why the Flames would reward bad play with moving Bennett to the first line.

[868904]

Originally Posted by icecube

Screw his confidence. He needs to put on his big boy pants and just go produce already.

I agree with you. Truthfully i'm disapointed that Bennett appears to have lost his confidence as he didn't strike me as that type when he was drafted and all during his first season, but then again, it happens to the most confident, even Maverick lost his.

I hate to praise the Canucks for anything, but Travis Green was questioned a bit at the beginning of the season when he criticized Horvat for his play despite playing well and praised Baertschi despite playing poorly, but I think Green just understands his players very well, especially Baertschi who is a mental midget and needs to be cuddled and have sunshine blown up his ass all the time. Pains me to mention Bennett in the same breath as Baertschi, but sometimes these young kids just need some love.

As for his play specifically, in my mind, Bennett needs to attack the net with reckless abandon. That is what 18 year old Sam Bennett did. Every single shift, he took the puck hard to the net and crashed it. I can't recall seeing him anywhere near the net this season.

[keenan87]

Why no ATL.. or am I not smart enough to find it?

[AC]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Why no ATL.. or am I not smart enough to find it?

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...3&postcount=78

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Don't know why the Flames would reward bad play with moving Bennett to the first line.

Ice time is a reward (which he already gets).

Which line you play on is a matter of chemistry, and what's best for the players and the team.

"He shouldn't be rewarded with the opportunity" is one of the worst arguments I hear on this site. Often, it comes from the same people who lament that the coach/GM won't give opportunities to the kids on the farm (and yes, you make that argument all the time).

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Ice time is a reward (which he already gets).

Which line you play on is a matter of chemistry, and what's best for the players and the team.

"He shouldn't be rewarded with the opportunity" is one of the worst arguments I hear on this site. Often, it comes from the same people who lament that the coach/GM won't give opportunities to the kids on the farm (and yes, you make that argument all the time).

Wow could you be any more wrong? Obviously Bennett being on the top line isn't "best for this team" because he hasn't deserved to get more ice time (reward) or more responsibility.

People who throw players playing bad on the first line are people who really don't understand the game. Look around the league and show me one instance of a player who has 0 points promoted to the top line. It doesn't happen because they don't deserve it.

[blender]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Look around the league and show me one instance of a player who has 0 points promoted to the top line. It doesn't happen because they don't deserve it.

Look around the league and show me one player of Bennett's potential that has zero points.

You make a valid point, but Bennett could be an exception given his pedigree and importance to the Flames.

[HappyGilmore]

Players bust all the time. It's a shame Bennet won't amount to anything, but at the time it was a good pick

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by blender

Look around the league and show me one player of Bennett's potential that has zero points.

You make a valid point, but Bennett could be an exception given his pedigree and importance to the Flames.

Which pedigree? And he isn't important to the Flames until he becomes important to the Flames. Potential can only wait for so long.

[blender]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Which pedigree? And he isn't important to the Flames until he becomes important to the Flames. Potential can only wait for so long.

His pedigree as a 4th overall pick and raw ability to be dominant in the playoffs as rookie.
His importance to the Flames has been stated by the management group and coaching staff. The Flames biggest weakness is scoring goals; That is what Bennett is supposed to do.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Wow could you be any more wrong? Obviously Bennett being on the top line isn't "best for this team" because he hasn't deserved to get more ice time (reward) or more responsibility.

People who throw players playing bad on the first line are people who really don't understand the game. Look around the league and show me one instance of a player who has 0 points promoted to the top line. It doesn't happen because they don't deserve it.

Your condescending and omniscient self grandiosity is getting old in a hurry.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by timbit

Your condescending and omniscient self grandiosity is getting old in a hurry.

Yeah when the same posters keep replying to my posts being condescending and fishing for a response (like you and Enoch have been doing lately) I'm going to give them one.

[timbit]

Please explain why you think you understand hockey better than the people and their opinions, that you regularly denigrate because their opinions differ from yours.