[News] Flames announce 2017/18 opening day roster. Jankowski assigned to Stockton

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, budget contracts are critical.

Yes, Glass, F Hamilton and Hathaway are not impact players (every team has 4th liners that aren't impact players).

But you seem to have skipped over mentioning Tkachuk and his ELC. You also neglected to mention Bennett and his $1.95M contract. Or Jagr and his $1+1M contract. The Flames have budget contracts. And the Flames are contenders. So your complaint has no teeth.

You also continue to ignore the fact that Jankowski could be back with the team as early as game 2. He is not an impact player yet. But he absolutely could be, at some point this year, at which point he will be helping the Flames compete. So again, your complaint is empty.

I am not ingorning Tkachuk. Or Bennett's budget contract for that matter. Or Backlund's/Brodie's/Hamonic's budget contract. But that doesn't minimize the benefit of someone from our system making an impact.

I also understand that Jankowski may make the team in the future. It doesn't mean I agree with the decision for him not to make the team today. It also doesn't make your conspiracy theory that this is a 'moving parts' problem any more true. They could have demoted Hathaway, waived Hamilton, and sat Stajan for opening night and didn't. That doesn't get any more difficult / easy for game 2.

I have yet to hear you actually make a case on why sending Jankowski down is the right decision. You have criticized others and pointed out the obvious that he could be back. But why do you believe playing Stajan in game one is the right decision?

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by kehatch

I am not ingorning Tkachuk. Or Bennett's budget contract for that matter. Or Backlund's/Brodie's/Hamonic's budget contract. But that doesn't minimize the benefit of someone from our system making an impact.

I also understand that Jankowski may make the team in the future. It doesn't mean I agree with the decision for him not to make the team today. It also doesn't make your conspiracy theory that this is a 'moving parts' problem any more true. They could have demoted Hathaway, waived Hamilton, and sat Stajan for opening night and didn't. That doesn't get any more difficult / easy for game 2.

I have yet to hear you actually make a case on why sending Jankowski down is the right decision. You have criticized others and pointed out the obvious that he could be back. But why do you believe playing Stajan in game one is the right decision?

Someone is about to tell you that your not the GM or the coach,so what do you know. From me you get a hearty "here here"

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I have no problem with an unproven player spending a little more time in Stockton, and I’m confident he’ll be back upwoth enough time to make an honest push for the Calder.

Yes but which Calder

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by edslunch

The guy who really doesn't fit is Lazar. He needs playing time to develop just as much as Jankowski does. Where does he get that - spelling off Brouwer on the 4th line RW? If there's one guy who ought to be in Stockton both on merit and to get some heavy reps it's Lazar. This feels like another Ortio situation - no room to play him but too afraid to lose him on waivers.

He can sit in the pressbox for now. I'd be willing to bet that this team has at least 1 injured forward by game 10 of the season, and so Lazar will draw in rather quickly.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by kehatch

I am not ingorning Tkachuk. Or Bennett's budget contract for that matter. Or Backlund's/Brodie's/Hamonic's budget contract. But that doesn't minimize the benefit of someone from our system making an impact.

I also understand that Jankowski may make the team in the future. It doesn't mean I agree with the decision for him not to make the team today. It also doesn't make your conspiracy theory that this is a 'moving parts' problem any more true. They could have demoted Hathaway, waived Hamilton, and sat Stajan for opening night and didn't. That doesn't get any more difficult / easy for game 2.

I have yet to hear you actually make a case on why sending Jankowski down is the right decision. You have criticized others and pointed out the obvious that he could be back. But why do you believe playing Stajan in game one is the right decision?

I have not made the case that it is the right decision because I have never claimed that it is the right decision. I have stated multiple times, including in this thread a few posts ago, that I think Jankowski most definitely deserves to be on the team.

The difference is that I am not freaking out. I understand that making the team might mean actually getting into the lineup in a few games from now. That sometimes determining a 23 man roster, with different players having different contractual status, might actually require multiple transactions and take some time. I have simply tried to remind people that the opening day roster is not the roster for the whole season and that maybe we could use a bit of patience.

You are attempting to make it look like I am avoiding some issue. Quite the contrary, I have been very clear from the get go: I think Jankowski absolutely earned a spot. And I think he will be here, and in the lineup in very short order. I expect him to play at least 60-70 games for the Flames (barring injury).

If he isn't... if Stajan and Hathaway and Hamilton rotate in and out every night, while Jankowski remains in Stockton for 20, 30, 40 games, then I will not be happy either. I will be quite pissed in fact.

My point to you and others though, is that there is no reason to be freaking out over a single game lineup. Jankowski will very likely be here very soon (or we will have something real to complain about.)

[Murph]

Has there been any comment from Flames coaching or management on sending Jankowski down?

[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by kehatch

I am not ingorning Tkachuk. Or Bennett's budget contract for that matter. Or Backlund's/Brodie's/Hamonic's budget contract. But that doesn't minimize the benefit of someone from our system making an impact.

I also understand that Jankowski may make the team in the future. It doesn't mean I agree with the decision for him not to make the team today. It also doesn't make your conspiracy theory that this is a 'moving parts' problem any more true. They could have demoted Hathaway, waived Hamilton, and sat Stajan for opening night and didn't. That doesn't get any more difficult / easy for game 2.

I have yet to hear you actually make a case on why sending Jankowski down is the right decision. You have criticized others and pointed out the obvious that he could be back. But why do you believe playing Stajan in game one is the right decision?

I know you're not talking to me specifically, but I've done this.

Once Jagr gets here the fourth line is Glass - Stajan - Brouwer.

Stajan is what you actually want in your fourth line (and therefore shouldn't be sat).

Brouwer needs to play if we have any hope in him either A) getting traded or B) turning around his season. He hasn't been so bad that they've had to give him the Wideman treatment (just sit him regardless).

Glass is going to be in and out of the lineup. You don't want to bring Jankowski up to be trading games with Glass. He needs to play.

So you either have to trade Brouwer (hopefully) or wait for an injury.

We have no idea what Treliving might be doing behind the scenes but, judging from his previous body of work, it most like isn't "showing loyalty to aging vets".

[JFK]

Ryan Leslie of FlamesTV has an interview with Treliving up. It's centered around Jagr but hits on Janwkowski who he says "in our opinion is ready to play in the NHL right now, just a matter of sorting through the roster and finding room".

Sucks Mark won't start the season and potentially play a full 82 but unless injured it looks like he'll be back sooner rather than later.

https://www.nhl.com/flames/video/tre...092/c-53142103

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by JFK

Ryan Leslie of FlamesTV has an interview with Treliving up. It's centered around Jagr but hits on Janwkowski who he says "in our opinion is ready to play in the NHL right now, just a matter of sorting through the roster and finding room".

Sucks Mark won't start the season and potentially play a full 82 but unless injured it looks like he'll be back sooner rather than later.

https://www.nhl.com/flames/video/tre...092/c-53142103

Thanks for posting that link! Pretty much the same thing some of us are saying. What Enoch was getting at was pretty simple, no sense for some to get worked up when we don't have all the intangibles. The Flames have a rational plan but need to deal within the process.

[Itse]

Starting about 0:48, straight from the GM.

"Mark Jankowski in our opinion is ready to play in the NHL right now, it's only a matter of sorting through the roster and finding room."

Seems logical "finding room" means they're trying to make trades.

EDIT: huh, beaten to it, I'm apparently not good at reading the thread it seems. Oh well

[Lanny_McDonald]

Sounds like Treliving knows he has two players to move out. I think its important to get Jankowski up to work with Jagr and learn how to use his body and wing span to his advantage, so hopefully Trelving can make the moves sooner than later.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by New Era

Sounds like Treliving knows he has two players to move out. I think its important to get Jankowski up to work with Jagr and learn how to use his body and wing span to his advantage, so hopefully Trelving can make the moves sooner than later.

This is the thing.

Jankowski, Tkachuk and Bennett are going to benefit so much from Jagr.

Actually, let's put Monahan on that list as well.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This is the thing.

Jankowski, Tkachuk and Bennett are going to benefit so much from Jagr.

Actually, let's put Monahan on that list as well.

Totally. Tkachuk is going to really benefit since they are both known for that below the circles down low game. If Ferland can pick up the little tricks of being that left shot right wing who can protect the puck and turn off the boards like Jagr...look out.

I'm also keen on the other top young guys seeing how he trains and just how hard he works. It's just a great investment for the team.