[Rumour] UPD: Jagr confirms Flames have interest in him.

[Bingo]

added a poll and kept it as simple as I could.

Didn't want the multiple option where you can say yes and three different salary levels etc.

[Gaudfather]

Good idea Bingo. Looks like pretty resounding support from CP so far.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Tough to say no, but my caveat is "reasonable" is under $3mm for me, maybe closer to $2mm.

[zukes]

I voted yes, but it's one or the other between him and Iginla.

[Vinny01]

Jagr is great insurance with the realistic chance that Ferland proves to be nothing more than a bottom 6 winger. I donhave hopesmfor Ferland but he rode a hot shooting % to a 15 goal 25pt year where he played the last 1/3 of the season on the top line.

I am all for giving Ferland a shot with Monahan and Gaudreau to start the year but if he falters the options to replace him are limited. Looking at Versteeg, Brouwer, an AHLer like Poirier/Foo, or moving Tkachuk to the RW or Bennett.

Adding Jagr gives the Flames another option on the top line if need be. Personally I think he is best suited to play with Bennett on the third line and help give him more socorng opportunities.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Jagr is great insurance with the realistic chance that Ferland proves to be nothing more than a bottom 6 winger. I donhave hopesmfor Ferland but he rode a hot shooting % to a 15 goal 25pt year where he played the last 1/3 of the season on the top line.

I am all for giving Ferland a shot with Monahan and Gaudreau to start the year but if he falters the options to replace him are limited. Looking at Versteeg, Brouwer, an AHLer like Poirier/Foo, or moving Tkachuk to the RW or Bennett.

Adding Jagr gives the Flames another option on the top line if need be. Personally I think he is best suited to play with Bennett on the third line and help give him more socorng opportunities.

As I said in another topic I think the Flames should set duos but then experiment with the other wingers and look for a good fit in camp. If Jagr is on board even more so.

Gaudreau - Monahan - xxxxx
xxxxx - Backlund - Frolik
xxxxx - Bennett - xxxxx

Not sure of who Bennett's pair is I guess, could be Versteeg, but then Versteeg can play both wings so you kind of want him in the float list.

Tkachuk
Versteeg
Ferland
Jagr
Jankowski
Foo
Brouwer
Lazar

[Monahan For Mayor]

^ I don't see Bennett meshing well with Jagr. Mostly because Jagr is slow now. Bennett is better are creating of the rush, and has been known to not use his linemates well. For Benny and Jagr to click Bennett would really have to slow down his game I think.

I know this is way to blender, but the chemistry these lines could have would be intriguing.

Tkachuk - Monahan - Jagr
Gaudreau - Bennett - Versteeg
Ferland - Backlund - Fro

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Anduril

Yet somehow perennial ~60 game, ~35 pt Versteeg is a better fit? Or Ferland who scored 15 goals for the first time in his career, is somehow undeniably better and guaranteed to play on the top line all season?

Jagr is better than either of them though it's a matter of how long that is still the case. With the added talent, that's still another skilled winger available for the likes of Bennett to play with.

Yes because Ferland is coachable and Versteeg showed last season (in the playoffs especially) that he really wants to win here - and Versteeg has recent cup experience. Like Jagr experience with the Cup is from the early 90s?

Jagr is sticking around for longevity records. Your not going to coach him to do something outside of his routine - and from what I can tell he has no burning desire to win. He may even be older than Gulutzan? No thanks.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Corral

Jagr is sticking around for longevity records. Your not going to coach him to do something outside of his routine - and from what I can tell he has no burning desire to win. He may even be older than Gulutzan? No thanks.

the jagr way is a good way, it's actually a big part of the appeal, he would be instilling work ethic in our younger guys. for me the biggest student of the jagr "routine" should be tkachuk.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

No doubt Jagr has a terrific work ethic when it comes to fitness, but I think the criticism is that he may not be committed to staying within the hockey system GG has instituted. I think the concern is (which I share), that he is looking to pad his individual stats, and perhaps not play the 5 man system that would be crucial to Flames team success.

Not sure if it is an entirely fair concern, but perhaps Cali can again provide some insight as to the systems in Florida. I would suspect last year was basically a gong show with Rowe, but perhaps the Gallant system is similar to what the Flames use? I really don't know.

[Toonage]

I voted no (I just don't think he fits what the Flames want to do on the ice), but if it were to happen I certainly wouldn't be upset. The work ethic, the leadership, etc. There are few negatives. To me its just his foot speed and where he fits on the team. If line mates have to alter the way they play to accommodate shortcomings, that's a step backwards to me.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Boomer throwing a bit of cold water on this today, saying that the focus right now is getting the deal done for Sam.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

Boomer throwing a bit of cold water on this today, saying that the focus right now is getting the deal done for Sam.

That's always been painfully obvious, nothing else is going to happen until they resolve Bennett's contract.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

^ I don't see Bennett meshing well with Jagr. Mostly because Jagr is slow now. Bennett is better are creating of the rush, and has been known to not use his linemates well. For Benny and Jagr to click Bennett would really have to slow down his game I think.

I know this is way to blender, but the chemistry these lines could have would be intriguing.

Tkachuk - Monahan - Jagr
Gaudreau - Bennett - Versteeg
Ferland - Backlund - Fro

I don't mind those lines you posted and could see them working out.

Bennett suffered from Brouwer being a possession black hole last year. With Jagr it would likely help him be a possession beast and the team would have the puck in the offensive zone more often and give Bennett more scoring opportunities.

[Gaskal]

Haynes chips in with a great article. Looks like he's on the "yay" side.

Jaromir Jagr: Don't ask Why, only Why Not

Also not to be overlooked, Jagr played the full 82 games in 2016-17 and averaged 17 minutes of ice time. That's a lot of hockey so clearly the old man still has some game.

There also doesn't appear to be much evidence over his last two seasons with Florida to support the notion that in his old age, he slows down as the season wears on:

2016-17
First Half - 41 gm, 7-18-25 (even-strength, 3-14-17), 57.10 SAT% Close
Second Half - 41 gm, 9-12-21 (even-strength, 5-11-16), 53.75 SAT% Close

2015-16
First Half - 38 gm, 14-16-30 (even-strength, 11-12-23), 50.95 SAT% Close
Second Half - 41 gm, 13-23-36 (even-strength, 11-21-32), 47.89 SAT% Close


If you really strain your eyes in looking for it, you can find a drop off in Jagr's possession stats in the second half but his production remained the same.

[Cgycowboy]

I am also in the nervous camp if this actually happens. As much as I like Jagr I question his desire to win or put his body on the line to win a battle in the playoffs (ie. Iggy). I just don't see it. I actually think Iggy would be a better option. Yes there is a lot to learn from the guy but this should have been done 2 years ago not now when Calgary appears to be in win now mode

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[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don't mind those lines you posted and could see them working out.

Bennett suffered from Brouwer being a possession black hole last year. With Jagr it would likely help him be a possession beast and the team would have the puck in the offensive zone more often and give Bennett more scoring opportunities.

Think I read that Bennett was 4th on the team in zone entries last season behind Gaudreau, Backlund and Brodie.

If that's the case then Jagr speed doesn't hurt him as much as he has a drive wide option coming behind him.

On the cycle Bennett would do well with a guy that can hold things up until an option opens (Jagr's bread and butter)

The reason Jagr works the most for me is the fact that Calgary has a zone entry guy on each of the top three lines.

[kukkudo]

Voted yes, I don't see why NHL vets can't be the same as NBA vets. For Jagr if he signs have him play home games sit him for back to backs and some road games.

[marchmallow]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Voted yes, I don't see why NHL vets can't be the same as NBA vets. For Jagr if he signs have him play home games sit him for back to backs and some road games.

I think this is something we could see more of in the NHL in coming years. Why not rest players on some road trips/back to backs, especially when you have young guys pushing to get NHL playing time like we do. Not sure if the Flames will be the team to start doing it but it would make sense with Jagr, and star players as well in the future against some weaker teams. It would be good to get some rotation going and keep our top guys fresher for when they are most needed in the playoffs, as long as it doesn't effect our position in the standings too much.

[Strange Brew]

I voted yes because what the hell. But I put reasonable around $2.5 million. Need to have $1 million in cushion to have flexibility in camp around who makes the team, and at least some room to add salary at the deadline. Although Flames won't have many picks to offer.