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Old 11-02-2016, 03:11 AM   #201
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But hey, at least we're also going to throw it away in a relatively weak draft year too. It's not all bad!

No, wait, it is.
At least there are 4 RW in the top 10 this time.
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Old 11-02-2016, 06:09 AM   #202
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The flames played their best two periods of hockey this season.

Unfortunately, Gaudreau was MIA and this offence needs him to be productive.

He's my favourite player...but he's just doesn't look confident and at times he's either too gassed to give a second effort or he's simply gives up. I'm not sure which one it is, but I think it's likely the former.

Monahan has not been good either, but he needs JG to be JG for him to be successful offensively...and it just hasn't happened. Frustrating to watch.
The lack of training camps for Monahan and Gaudreau is obvious. I hope our chance at the post-season isn't over by the time they round into form. I also think GG's effort to avoid a poor third defence pairing has led to the creation of 3 so-so pairing. Just reunite Gio and Brody for God's sake.
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Old 11-02-2016, 06:13 AM   #203
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Gotta split up Monahan and Gaudreau. I would put Gaudreau with Bennett and Brouwer. Monahan should be playing about 8 minutes a night. He's slow, a giveaway machine, and poor defensively.

I haven't liked Gaudreau's game, but can't really blame him for trying to do it all himself. If he gives the puck to a linemate, zero chance it's ever coming back to him. He needs someone with some dynamism on his line.

My god is Monahan bad this season.
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Old 11-02-2016, 07:18 AM   #204
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Gotta split up Monahan and Gaudreau. I would put Gaudreau with Bennett and Brouwer. Monahan should be playing about 8 minutes a night. He's slow, a giveaway machine, and poor defensively.

I haven't liked Gaudreau's game, but can't really blame him for trying to do it all himself. If he gives the puck to a linemate, zero chance it's ever coming back to him. He needs someone with some dynamism on his line.

My god is Monahan bad this season.
Yep he's been the worst Flame this season from the opening puck drop. How he hasn't been demoted is a mystery. How is it possible for a first line center to have zero assists in 11 games? Has that ever happened before?

Now it's not all on Monahan as Brodie and Giordano have been the worst defensemen as well so this is a problem of the team's best players being the team's worst players. If we are still discussing this in January I believe the finger has to point squarely at the head coach. Now just because I wasn't a fan of the Gulutzan hire doesn't mean I am hoping for him to fail. Quite the opposite actually but we saw in Pittsburgh with Mike Johnston that if the head coach isn't putting his players in positions to succeed even generational talents like Crosby will play his worst hockey. I can understand a few players struggling where you point the finger at the players but when every single top player is struggling the head coach simply isn't doing a good job. End of story.
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Yep he's been the worst Flame this season from the opening puck drop. How he hasn't been demoted is a mystery. How is it possible for a first line center to have zero assists in 11 games? Has that ever happened before?

Now it's not all on Monahan as Brodie and Giordano have been the worst defensemen as well so this is a problem of the team's best players being the team's worst players. If we are still discussing this in January I believe the finger has to point squarely at the head coach. Now just because I wasn't a fan of the Gulutzan hire doesn't mean I am hoping for him to fail. Quite the opposite actually but we saw in Pittsburgh with Mike Johnston that if the head coach isn't putting his players in positions to succeed even generational talents like Crosby will play his worst hockey. I can understand a few players struggling where you point the finger at the players but when every single top player is struggling the head coach simply isn't doing a good job. End of story.
This is the most glaring stat for me. Your 1st Line Center is supposed to make everyone on the line better. But Monahan is making everyone worse.
Do the Flames have chaperones on their team to keep an eye on their young ones?
I am not saying, don't go out and have fun, but lets gets some eyes and ears out there and make sure its good clean fun.
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Old 11-02-2016, 07:58 AM   #207
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Do the Flames have chaperones on their team to keep an eye on their young ones?
I am not saying, don't go out and have fun, but lets gets some eyes and ears out there and make sure its good clean fun.
Really? Let's not do this. Making stuff up isn't going to help here.
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Old 11-02-2016, 08:10 AM   #208
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Old 11-02-2016, 08:18 AM   #209
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That's was similar to the Flames you saw in the first 40 tonight IMO.

Able to carry the play and look good but not enough finish to actually capitalize on the strong play.

People are letting the last 10 minutes and the final score skew this game. Flames held a 23-6 edge in scoring chances it's the lack of finish and a couple of poor plays by Brodie that did them in.
Just quoting this so it gets more exposure.

It's annoying a lot of times reading all the doomsday posts in PGTs.
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Old 11-02-2016, 08:27 AM   #210
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Holy f'ing ####.

With all the doom and gloom around here, I just took a look at the standings.

Because we play in such a crappy division, we are still in a playoff spot!!



Glass half full!!
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I agree with both points, that overall they played an OK road game, but also that Monahan needs to be better. I would sit him a game, or at the very least move him down to a 3rd line and bring Bennett or Stajan up.
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Old 11-02-2016, 08:34 AM   #212
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I agree with both points, that overall they played an OK road game, but also that Monahan needs to be better. I would sit him a game, or at the very least move him down to a 3rd line and bring Bennett or Stajan up.
Toews had a tough start. You don't sit him, that would be absurd.

Sitting Monahan would be absurd at this point. You need to show faith in confidence in your go-to guys and they will eventually get it going. Sitting him would do nothing except harm his confidence.
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I agree Monahan hasn't been great but Johnny has been just as crap. Both of them need a kick in the ass. Monahan had that back issue, could that be lingering? It seems Johnny is either really paying for the time missed during his holdout or just trying to do too much leading to bad turnovers. Those two need to figure it out quickly if we're going to turn anything around.
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Old 11-02-2016, 08:44 AM   #214
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I think it's just mental for Monahan and Johnny. They are clearly being keyed on by the other teams' shutdown lines so use that to your advantage and give the guys who are playing well like Frolik and Backlund more minutes. The funk will end eventually and I have to think they will break out in the next couple of weeks.
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Old 11-02-2016, 08:56 AM   #215
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Holy f'ing ####.

With all the doom and gloom around here, I just took a look at the standings.

Because we play in such a crappy division, we are still in a playoff spot!!
no team is making the playoffs with a losing record. With the upcoming schedule the Flames will be fortunate to get another 9 points by Game 20. Which means they will need about 80 points in their last 60 games. Which means a record of 40 wins and 20 losses. Which means with this roster ... no playoffs in 2016-2017. Sad but true.
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Old 11-02-2016, 08:59 AM   #216
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Gaudreau - Bennett - Brouwer
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - Monahan - Versteeg
Bouma - Stajan - Chiasson

That's what I'd like to see next game.
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Old 11-02-2016, 09:03 AM   #217
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The Flames did most things right tonight for the first 50 minutes - let's not pretend that didn't happen. The problem tonight was their best players weren't their best players which has been a trend all season. If we can all agree on that at least then let's not jump all over Gulutzan, he is doing some things right and guys like Backlund, Frolik and Stajan are flourishing under him. There's more than the system and coaching that are making Monahan, Gaudreau, Gio and Brodie struggle right now.... these 4 guys are using the same systems that the guys flourishing are. The bottom line is our best and highest paid players are letting the team down right now. Part of it is probably the fact that they are putting too much pressure on themselves but they have to be better.

The 2 things I will put on coaching right now are the special teams are brutal and Gio and Brodie need to be paired back up. Wideman on your top pairing means your not a playoff contender.
Right after the 2nd Chicago goal I was thinking this needs to be Monahan, Gaudreau, Gio and Brodie time....pull the team up and go get a goal.

Did not happen.

I will try not to be as annoying as some are when they decide on a whipping boy but Wideman is atrocious. He is not NHL caliber at this point, gets blown up regularly and can't catch anyone. Not sure what they can do because no one is going to want him but Kulak and his inevitable rookie mistakes will be nowhere near as crap as DW.
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Old 11-02-2016, 09:09 AM   #218
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Didn't see all of the game last night, but saw 4 Chicago goals, and it looked like the same old garbage. The way I see it, here's the problem (stats are for the whole season)

Gaudreau -8
Monahan -8

Not only are they not scoring, they have become huge defensive liabilities. Monahan has been a pylon in his own end, and Johnny gets burned by larger forwards constantly.

No change = No Playoffs

Brodie at -8 is also an issue, obviously.

Backlund/Frolik/X looks way more like a top line right now.

And for the final day-after-meltdown drama: I think Gulutzan needs to sit Johnny for a game and Mony for another. Calm them down, have them observe the system, see how things go when they are separated.
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Old 11-02-2016, 09:21 AM   #219
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I don't care what it does to Bennett's line, it's time to put Brouwer into the role they signed him to play, first line RW...

Gaudreau - Monahan - Brouwer
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - Bennett - Versteeg
Bouma - Stajan - Hamilton

Chaisson - sent into orbit.
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How he hasn't been demoted is a mystery. How is it possible for a first line center to have zero assists in 11 games? Has that ever happened before?

Probably.

Random guys struggle every year.

Some comparative stats:
Monahan - 11GP, 4G, 0A
Barkov - 10GP, 2G, 3A
Toews - 9GP, 1G, 4A
Bergeron - 6GP, 1G, 0A

Remember Getzlaf last year? 1 point in his first 8 games, and didn't score his first goal until 18 games into the season.

It's not like Monahan is an anomaly. The no-assists thing will change, but he just needs to play better, period.
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