Last thing on the checklist - Sign Monahan and Gaudreau

[dying4acup]

Is there any chance there is debate over salary vs. signing bonus at play?

Most of the top UFAs signed for minimum salaries this year, while rounding out their pay as signing bonuses, making their contracts "buyout proof" and "lockout proof".

[doctajones428]

Since I put a fair amount of time into this (On my phone!), I may as well leave it here too:

Keep in my mind, the oldest signing on this list was 2011, when the salary cap was 13.6 million lower than it was last season

Gaudreau - 89PPG - ???
Hall - (At the time) .84PPG - $6M
Eberle - (At the time) .8PPG - $6M
Tarasenko - (At the time) .75 PPG - $7.5M
Tavares - (At the time) - .75PPG - $5.5M
Hopkins - (At the time) .74PPG - $6M
Benn - (At the time) .73PPG - $5.25M
Forsberg - .72 PPG - $6M
Couture - (At the time) .72PPG - $6M
Duchene - (At the time) .72PPG - $6M
MacKinnon - .70 PPG $6.3M
Monahan - .67 PPG - ???
Scheifele - .64 PPG $6.125
Seguin - (At the time) .63 PPG - $5.75M
Barkov - .62 PPG - $5.9M
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AVERAGE (Excluding Gaudreau and Monahan) - 0.72 PPG - $6,030,000

Edit: Fixed my math errors

[1qqaaz]

I think there's a mistake with Tarasenko, but good post.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think there's a mistake with Tarasenko, but good post.

Oh, you're right. I was wondering why his PPG was so low. Updated.

Thanks!

[Demaeon]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

Since I put a fair amount of time into this (On my phone!), I may as well leave it here too:

Keep in my mind, the oldest signing on this list was 2011, when the salary cap was 13.6 million lower than it was last season

Gaudreau - 89PPG - ???
Hall - (At the time) .84PPG - $6M
Eberle - (At the time) .8PPG - $6M
Tarasenko - (At the time) .75 PPG - $7.5M
Tavares - (At the time) - .75PPG - $5.5M
Hopkins - (At the time) .74PPG - $6M
Benn - (At the time) .73PPG - $5.25M
Forsberg - .72 PPG - $6M
Couture - (At the time) .72PPG - $6M
Duchene - (At the time) .72PPG - $6M
MacKinnon - .70 PPG $6.3M
Monahan - .67 PPG - ???
Scheifele - .64 PPG $6.125
Seguin - (At the time) .63 PPG - $5.75M
Barkov - .62 PPG - $5.9M
-
AVERAGE (Excluding Gaudreau and Monahan) - 0.72 PPG - $5,300,000

Hall is the closest comparable to Gaudreau on this list, .12PPG above average netted him an extra $700,000. So theoretically, Johnny's extra .5PPG on Hall should earn him roughly another $400,000 on top of that ($1,100,000)

$5,300,000
+
$1,100,000
=
$6,400,000

I'm confused, and maybe you've done some calculation that I don't see or understand, but how is the average salary lower than all but one of the AAV's on that list?

[PlayfulGenius]

The average is $6,025,000

I suspect he added up all the salaries then divided by the 15 names listed...but only 13 of them have salaries that sum to the total, as Monahan and Goudreau are blank.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Ya that's it. Different locations and need to use agents and phone calls is dragging this out. I love your pissy tone.

I'm not saying they don't want to be in yyc long term. I'm saying I think the term is the key hangup. And it's not the team shying away from term. This will all get done but if I'm the players then I prefer 5 years vs 8.

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

That would suck considering every other team can seem to get their young talent locked up for longer than that. I would go so far to say that if they both sign for 5 years that those will likely be the last contracts they sign with the Flames. It would speak volumes if they get 5 year deals while every other young star seems to get 6-8.

The way people can look at situations and expect or surmise the worst possible scenario every time just astounds me.

There is no chance of 5 year deals. None. Zero.

They will sign long term deals. If on the small chance that something goes wrong and they don't, they'll get 2 or 3 year deals.

Five is the one term that simply will not happen.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The way people can look at situations and expect or surmise the worst possible scenario every time just astounds me.

There is no chance of 5 year deals. None. Zero.

They will sign long term deals. If on the small chance that something goes wrong and they don't, they'll get 2 or 3 year deals.

Five is the one term that simply will not happen.

To be fair, I said 'if'

I think they will sign longer than 5 but IF they insisted on 5 I would take it as a very bad sign. That's all.

[Manhattanboy]

I wonder if there was more to the incident that resulted in the one game suspension than was reported.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

First off, I am a bit puzzled that my "tone" has suddenly become a topic of reflection here on CP. Can you point out to me in my response exactly where I am coming across as "pissy"? I don't see it.

It was tongue in cheek. But i didn't do a great job of reflecting that. All good. I saw you get blocked (who cares) and poked you a bit.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

The average is $6,025,000

I suspect he added up all the salaries then divided by the 15 names listed...but only 13 of them have salaries that sum to the total, as Monahan and Goudreau are blank.

Nope, I just missed a number. Thanks for spotting my error before it made me look even more foolish

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I wonder if there was more to the incident that resulted in the one game suspension than was reported.

I'm sure there was, as the exact details of the reason for suspension weren't reported. That said, things seemed just fine afterwards. And Hartley is gone regardless. I personally doubt there's much ongoing rife between the sides based on that incident, which would be affecting these contracts.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I wonder if there was more to the incident that resulted in the one game suspension than was reported.

God, seriously?

There is still a FULL TWO MONTHS before training camp. Yes, we are all eager too see Gaudreau and Monahan sign, but I fail to see anything out of the ordinary taking place here.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I wonder if there was more to the incident that resulted in the one game suspension than was reported.

If there was, he wouldn't be praising his fired former coach (from the Darren Haynes article posted earlier.)

On Bob Hartley:
“Bob did a tremendous job with me. There's not too many better spots I would have liked to be at. He did a great job with me in my first season in the NHL, showing me how important the defensive zone is and if you're playing well in the defensive zone, it’s just going to lead to more time in the offensive zone. I thank Bob a ton for everything he did for me those first few seasons. He gave me opportunities on the power play, 4-on-4, 3-on-3, gave me all the chances to thrive in this game.”

[Manhattanboy]

Just speculating. We will see.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Just speculating. We will see.

You're honestly speculating that the superbowl incident is "holding up" negotiations? As in BT is offering them 8yr/3mil aav contract because of that?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Just speculating. We will see.

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

You're honestly speculating that the superbowl incident is "holding up" negotiations? As in BT is offering them 8yr/3mil aav contract because of that?

His speculating it is pretty unfair to Johnny Gaudreau and lacking substantiated proof, and although the one incident would mean nothing by itself, it's possible that partying could be a legitimate concern on Brad's end.

Not to suggest Johnny falls under this category but many young star players who get celebrity and money right away fall into some issues with it, just look at Tyler Seguin. A young star who was surprisingly traded after partying became a serious concern for the team.

Again, not saying there's any substantial proof to it, but any degree of partying and coming to practice/game day in less than stellar shape could definitely be part of a contract negotiation for a young star.

[Heavy Jack]

Chiapet was a fool for doing that trade hahahaha

#OILVEY

[jayswin]

And maybe not so much "Hey, you partied a little too much last season and were reported as not in perfect shape a few times at practice, so that's going to cost you $2 million a year", but more just "Hey, we believe you're the player everyone thinks you are and think you contract expectations are fair, but these patterns are a little concerning if we're putting pen to paper on $50+mil dollars of our owners money.

[FanIn80]

Well this thread sure took a turn for the mentally challenged...