Can't see why Ortio would re-sign with the Flames. He can't feel like he has much future with the organization.
The question he has to ask himself is, will he get a better opportunity with a different organization? If he thinks he will, then he can walk and the Flames can go out and sign one of the many backups with more experience who will be on the market on Friday.
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One side: "Colborne is a good third liner. Worth a modest contract."
The other side: "WHY is Colborne so OVERRATED? This is INSANITY!"
Apparently half of us have no idea what a third liner looks like. I doubt we'll agree which half.
Actually you said letting him walk for nothing is insanity. If Treliving lets him walk for nothing then it's not insanity, it's what the GM of this team thinks is best for the team long term.
Pretty sure it's not just the contract that Treliving is worried about. His offensive game isn't what is keeping him from sticking with an NHL team.
sorry.... The Flames are going to lose Colborne definitely a top-9 winger because they to not have cap space... They do not have cap space because they signed a lot of bad contracts.
Colborne is definitely not a player you overpay to keep. Ideally 3 years $7.5M and I am happy. If he wants more term or more dollars I think he should hit the market.
I would like to see 2 of Tkachuk, Shinkaruk, Jankowski, and Poirier to make the team out of camp.
I agree with this whole thing. If Colborne is lucky, someone wants to give him 3/$9M. I can't see anyone giving him a 4th year.
He can either play in his hometown where he's had all his pro success, or he can go somewhere else for 500k extra a year. Most of which he wouldnt notice anyway due to taxes/escrow etc.
I expect Joe will be back at something near what Vinny has proposed.
sorry.... The Flames are going to lose Colborne definitely a top-9 winger because they to not have cap space... They do not have cap space because they signed a lot of bad contracts.
And when they don't, will you admit you were wrong? Or will you just move on to the next jumble-post that indirectly hates on Frolik / Hamilton without directly saying it?
Actually you said letting him walk for nothing is insanity. If Treliving lets him walk for nothing then it's not insanity, it's what the GM of this team thinks is best for the team long term.
Pretty sure it's not just the contract that Treliving is worried about. His offensive game isn't what is keeping him from sticking with an NHL team.
Actually I said it was madness
Plus, I clarified exactly what I meant several times already, so don't be dense about it. Once more for clarity: Unless you think Colborne has zero value, then letting him go without even attempting to sign him is madness. This is because I believe Colborne has value as a third liner.
If Colborne declines a reasonable contract because he wants around 3.5 million, in what world would anyone think Treliving is anything less than perfectly sane to let him go?
It's not a hard and fast rule, but generally, players make about 1M salary for every 10 points they score.
If you're a 10-point player, you're making around 1M. If you're a 50-point player, you make 5M, and so on.
Going by that, Colborne is a 4M-ish per year player in today's NHL. But he's only done it once, and that's the rub. I can understand why Calgary wants to sign him without the threat of arbitration. Sign a one year, 2.5M deal as a show me type of thing, then go for the longer term deal and big payout next season.
I for one, hope they are able to re-sign him. I like his game and how he's shown continuous improvement in his time here.
Plus, he's money in the shootout, for what that's worth these days in the age of 3 on 3.
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So those of you who are suggesting Colbornes offensive numbers are only because he played better when the pressure was off and it was clear the team was out of it...are you applying that same criteria to Backlund?
Because no one got "hotter" than he did when it didnt matter..
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Glad to see Calgary learning their lesson from the Bouma situation. In my opinion, Colborne won't produce at last year's level again. Hopefully I am wrong, but signing him to a contract based on last year's performance and hoping for growth will be a mistake that will be regrettable down the road.
Having open contract spots is important, for all sorts of reasons, but I wouldn't connect it too much to the recent draft. There may be some guys they invite to development camp, but I don't think we will see them snap a bunch up.
Apart from the guys they are still trying to sign on the NHL team, the prospects cut were likely cut because the organization doesn't view them as having NHL upside.
I'm surprised at a couple of them, but then again, none had progressed at the AHL level or were pushing for an NHL spot.
So it is what it is.
You have a gigantic cap crunch this year with the cap not really moving, a terms to younger players/cheaper contacts, plus an expansion draft looming. I believe these factors are going to open lots of roster room on most teams. Lots of value to be had to build depth on your team this year
I would give Colborne at the top end of 3rd line money because he's also good in shootouts and can step into a bigger role from time to time, 3 year $8m max.
And when they don't, will you admit you were wrong? Or will you just move on to the next jumble-post that indirectly hates on Frolik / Hamilton without directly saying it?
Your need to defend Frolik, when he isn't even being mentioned, is very telling.
I say something about cap problems and even mention the Raymond mistake as an example and somehow YOU identify the cap problems as Frolik.
