Brexit- Update: Britain has voted to leave the EU

[morgin]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

There is two years for this process to work itself out. If the economy goes down the tubes in the next little while, that shock may turn opinion around.

There is no mechanism under the Lisbon Treaty once Article 50 has been invoked to withdraw a request to leave the Union. It would be entirely uncharted territory, but my guess is that once Article 50 is invoked (Cameron said he would do it immediately if leave won) the negotiation process under the Lisbon Treaty will start and the UK will be on the path out with no off ramps.

[Caged Great]

Once the exit package is negotiated, there is speculation that the government may throw it to a referendum once again saying this is what you're wanting?

The rest of the EU is going to shiv the Brits hard. They are not going to get any favourability whatsoever as a deterrent to other countries that attempt to follow suit.

[Swift]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Northern Ireland will leave for sure as will Scotland.

Northern Ireland isn't leaving the UK. The only person I've seen so far put forth the united Ireland referendum idea is Gerry Adams, and that's obvious wishful thinking and opportunism on his part.

The majority of Northern Ireland did vote to remain, including the Ulster Unionists but those same unionists place much more import on remaining part of the UK (the clue is in their name) than ever being part of a united Ireland.

Scotland, on the other hand, will definitely have another referendum.

[calgarywinning]

Seems the start of the collective individuals standing up to government and holding them accountable for their decisions. The EU has not worked. If the EU worked there wouldn't be this vote.

Obviously this is a sign of big problems in the world.

[rubecube]

As a British citizen, I hope the pound drops to pesos levels. What a bunch of stupid ####s.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by rubecube

As a British citizen, I hope the pound drops to pesos levels. What a bunch of stupid ####s.

Why is this so terrible?

[Swift]

I have no idea what this means for Ireland, but it's not good. The border between the North and the Republic, basically non-existent since the beginning of the peace process, now becomes important again. It will be the border between the UK and the EU. It potentially becomes an entry point for migrants wanting to enter the UK and therefore will likely have to be policed again, creating problems for trade and the everyday passage of residents. This isn't a straight border like the US/Canada border. There are roads that dip into the North, then back to the South, then curve back to the North and so on.

This is a nightmare.

[flylock shox]

I see so much of this as a reaction to globalization.

Western folk (mostly whites) have for generations lived an unsustainable lifestyle largely at the expense of the poor masses. Suddenly, with globalization - whether it be in the form of economic and political unions, immigration to western countries, free trade, or just Chinese millionaires buying up the Vancouver property market - westerners suddenly see their lifestyles being threatened and their places in the world receding as the competition heats up. So they close ranks, try to blame and force out the "other" however they identify it, and engage in protectionism.

Lots more upheaval to come I think.

[d_phaneuf]

Wow, they aren't even waiting

Farage is telling UK's version of the today show

'he thought it was a mistake for the Vote Leave campaign to say that it could save £350m a week by leaving the EU and that the money could go to the NHS'

and Danial Hannan has backtracked what they promised on immigration falling

[Cecil Terwilliger]

CBC news just showed the exchange that Diane is referring to...wow. It is way worse on video than it reads.

Guy literally backtracked on his 'campaign' promise less that 4 hours after they won. That has to be some kind of record. The lady host just ####ing ripped him apart for it too.

Then the joke that is CBC news cuts to some teenage goth loser girl Skyping from her moms basement for reaction from an insider? Are you ####ing kidding me?

[Itse]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Charts like these should not be a surprise to anyone who knows their globalization studies. The modern globalization affects different social classes differently.

The TL;DR version would pretty much be that the benefits have mostly gone to the educated and financially better off, while the problems are pretty much only on the shoulders of the lower educated working classes.

Or alternatively: the modern globalization era of the last decades has been bad for the lower classes and good for the educated classes. How much it's an effect of globalization is debatable, but certainly people associate many recent developments with globalization. (Accurately or not.)

Anyway, that chart essentially says people vote according to their perceived self interest. News at 11.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Cameron Swift

I have no idea what this means for Ireland, but it's not good. The border between the North and the Republic, basically non-existent since the beginning of the peace process, now becomes important again. It will be the border between the UK and the EU. It potentially becomes an entry point for migrants wanting to enter the UK and therefore will likely have to be policed again, creating problems for trade and the everyday passage of residents. This isn't a straight border like the US/Canada border. There are roads that dip into the North, then back to the South, then curve back to the North and so on.

This is a nightmare.

The majority in NI will vote to remain in the UK. But there will be a huge political upheaval. It is the one instance where I can think of nothing positive to say about it. There are untold risks and threats and nothing in the way of opportunity there.

I remember the days of ridiculous tailbacks at the border, days completely ruined because of customs backlogs and now they could be back.

Northern Ireland is nowhere near perfect, but the transformation there over the past 20 years has been remarkable and overwhelmingly positive. And the EU played a major role in providing a foundation to make it all possible.

I usually take election setbacks in my stride, other than a bit of moaning and complaining about how stupid people are when they don't agree with me but this morning, I am gutted, truly gutted. I just can't express it.

[flylock shox]

Some may enjoy this video - which I can't figure out how to imbed - providing a fun take on the UK Independence Party.

To avoid ads and for better quality, the full length video can be found on Netlix.

[peter12]

You guys, the UK functioned before the European Union.

[Caged Great]

Cameron is resigning as PM.

I don't blame him. It's not his fault the people decided to jump off a bridge economically. Why ruin your legacy with the destruction of the economy when you did nothing wrong.

And yes Peter12, England will be fine eventually. It will probably be a 20 year stretch to recover their losses though.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by peter12

You guys, the UK functioned before the European Union.

My expectation is that various deals are written between the UK and the EU that essentially negate most of the effects of Brexit.

While this might be considered a good thing, if it does happen, it should raise some questions about the level of actual democracy in Britain.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Cameron is resigning as PM.

I don't blame him. It's not his fault the people decided to jump off a bridge economically. Why ruin your legacy with the destruction of the economy when you did nothing wrong.

And yes Peter12, England will be fine eventually. It will probably be a 20 year stretch to recover their losses though.

It is absolutely his fault. What an utter lack of statesmanship from this goof. This is his legacy.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Itse

My expectation is that various deals are written between the UK and the EU that essentially negate most of the effects of Brexit.

While this might be considered a good thing, if it does happen, it should raise some questions about the level of actual democracy in Britain.

This would obviously make the situation in Europe even more tenuous. The political situation has become even more fluid on the continent. The European Union is more unstable than ever before. The UK will not be the last state to leave.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

CBC news just showed the exchange that Diane is referring to...wow. It is way worse on video than it reads.

Guy literally backtracked on his 'campaign' promise less that 4 hours after they won. That has to be some kind of record. The lady host just ####ing ripped him apart for it too.

Then the joke that is CBC news cuts to some teenage goth loser girl Skyping from her moms basement for reaction from an insider? Are you ####ing kidding me?

vid here

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/farage...stake-5963794/

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by peter12

Why is this so terrible?

One of the great things about leaving the UK is you realize just what a effing mess the country is, Britian is run by inbred morons who take pride in not being very smart or professional, they have run much of the countries manufacturing into the ground, the EU was the only thing that saved the UK from sliding into total oblivion.

Lions led by donkeys, it's a phrase from the Crimean war but it easily applies to the First World War, the end of the empire, the downfall of industry in the sixties.