[Rumour] Francis: Penguins want 6th OA for Fleury

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
LeBrun/Fleury: "I can tell you I know for a fact the #Flames and #Pens have talked, but it hasn't gone anywhere yet."

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
LeBrun: I think price is very high from #Pens. I don't think PIT feels it has to move Fleury before start of year if deal isn't right.

I will bet that if Fleury is not traded this off season and he starts the year in Pittsburgh the Penguins are going to find themselves in a very serious bad situation come expansion draft time. They might end up having to give up assets with Fleury just to move him if nobody needs a starting goalie.

[Redrum]

Fleury would be great if the goal was just to make the playoffs. But I'd rather look elsewhere than give anything up for a choke artist like him.

[Mister Yamoto]

The price to get Fleury will be high and why wouldn't it be? He is coming off a very good season, has a very good resume and a good contract.

The Penguins have if not the best one of the best tandems in the league at a good cap hit. Why would they even think of giving that up without getting at least fair market value?

They can make trades that protect themselves from an expansion draft right up until the day of the expansion draft.

If the Flames want Fleury I'm sure that they can get him but it's gonna cost.

Saying that the Penguins have to deal away Fleury for peanuts is like saying that the Flames have to deal Jokipakka right now for any asset they can get because he would be exposed in a hypothetical expansion draft one year from now. I don't see starting goalies being the buyers that market people seem to think it is.

[FlamesNation23]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

The price to get Fleury will be high and why wouldn't it be? He is coming off a very good season, has a very good resume and a good contract.

The Penguins have if not the best one of the best tandems in the league at a good cap hit. Why would they even think of giving that up without getting at least fair market value?

They can make trades that protect themselves from an expansion draft right up until the day of the expansion draft.

If the Flames want Fleury I'm sure that they can get him but it's gonna cost.

Saying that the Penguins have to deal away Fleury for peanuts is like saying that the Flames have to deal Jokipakka right now for any asset they can get because he would be exposed in a hypothetical expansion draft one year from now. I don't see starting goalies being the buyers that market people seem to think it is.

That situation is completely different. The Penguins need to trade him now for some sort of value from the only team that needs a goalie. They could wait till next summer and either be forced to protect him because of his NMC and risk losing Murray or pretty much give him away in a deal so they can protect Murray. In our case, we aren't being forced to protect Jokipakka. If he also had a NMC then your point would be true.

[Yoho]

Sorry but these are all smart GM's that will wait Pitt out. His return will only get smaller closer to expansion draft.

[Major Happy]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

The price to get Fleury will be high and why wouldn't it be? He is coming off a very good season, has a very good resume and a good contract.

The Penguins have if not the best one of the best tandems in the league at a good cap hit. Why would they even think of giving that up without getting at least fair market value?

They can make trades that protect themselves from an expansion draft right up until the day of the expansion draft.

If the Flames want Fleury I'm sure that they can get him but it's gonna cost.

Saying that the Penguins have to deal away Fleury for peanuts is like saying that the Flames have to deal Jokipakka right now for any asset they can get because he would be exposed in a hypothetical expansion draft one year from now. I don't see starting goalies being the buyers that market people seem to think it is.

Look at what the Leafs just traded Andersen for..

Joki is likely the Flames 4th best d-man going into into next year, imo Fleury will be the Penguins 2nd best goalie.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

The price to get Fleury will be high and why wouldn't it be? He is coming off a very good season, has a very good resume and a good contract.

The Penguins have if not the best one of the best tandems in the league at a good cap hit. Why would they even think of giving that up without getting at least fair market value?

They can make trades that protect themselves from an expansion draft right up until the day of the expansion draft.

If the Flames want Fleury I'm sure that they can get him but it's gonna cost.

Saying that the Penguins have to deal away Fleury for peanuts is like saying that the Flames have to deal Jokipakka right now for any asset they can get because he would be exposed in a hypothetical expansion draft one year from now. I don't see starting goalies being the buyers that market people seem to think it is.

Not even close to the same thing. There is not a large market for goalies, almost none. There is always a market for young solid D men. If Jokipakka gets exposed and claimed it is a loss for the team but no big deal. If the Pens can't move Fleury they end up losing the young stud goalie that just led them to a SC win.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

The price to get Fleury will be high and why wouldn't it be? He is coming off a very good season, has a very good resume and a good contract.

The Penguins have if not the best one of the best tandems in the league at a good cap hit. Why would they even think of giving that up without getting at least fair market value?

They can make trades that protect themselves from an expansion draft right up until the day of the expansion draft.

If the Flames want Fleury I'm sure that they can get him but it's gonna cost.

Saying that the Penguins have to deal away Fleury for peanuts is like saying that the Flames have to deal Jokipakka right now for any asset they can get because he would be exposed in a hypothetical expansion draft one year from now. I don't see starting goalies being the buyers that market people seem to think it is.

The difference is twofold. First Kevin probably wouldn't be drafted.
Second, Fleury has a NMC and would therefore have to be protected, meaning Murray, their goalie if the future, would be unprotected.
If the Pens don't take what they can now, they risk having to give him away at the deadline, or even worse, package assets with him if no one is biting.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by FlamesNation23

That situation is completely different. The Penguins need to trade him now for some sort of value from the only team that needs a goalie. They could wait till next summer and either be forced to protect him because of his NMC and risk losing Murray or pretty much give him away in a deal so they can protect Murray. In our case, we aren't being forced to protect Jokipakka. If he also had a NMC then your point would be true.

Fair enough. I just don't see the Penguins in a "need to trade" situation. That day will not happen until the day before the expansion draft. And if it does come right down to that day, they could trade Murray for a kings ransom.

The rumours that the Penguins will only move Fleury for the right price because they are willing to keep both goalies make perfect sense to me. That's the best play for the Penguins.

And if MAFs NMC is going to be such a problem one year from now why wouldn't it be a problem right now?

Maybe the Flames are the only team who needs a starter. That doesn't mean that teams will be lining up to give them one.

[Yoho]

The problem is that Murray is too good and too young to get in a staring contest with teams over.

Being left holding the bag with a 32 yr. old MAF only at the end of the season is not where they want to be, and everyone knows it.

[FlamesNation23]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Fair enough. I just don't see the Penguins in a "need to trade" situation. That day will not happen until the day before the expansion draft. And if it does come right down to that day, they could trade Murray for a kings ransom.

The rumours that the Penguins will only move Fleury for the right price because they are willing to keep both goalies make perfect sense to me. That's the best play for the Penguins.

And if MAFs NMC is going to be such a problem one year from now why wouldn't it be a problem right now?

Maybe the Flames are the only team who needs a starter. That doesn't mean that teams will be lining up to give them one.

If they truly believe that Murray is their goalie of the future (which I would assume they do after the cup win) then they have to trade MAF prior to next year's expansion draft. If they want to hold onto MAF till then, his value will only depreciate because teams will know they HAVE to trade him or they will lose Murray. In that situation, they would most likely need to add to MAF to offload him because I dont see a situation where they would trade Murray.

imo he has some value right now and they can either capitalize on it or risk holding onto him until its too late.

[CliffFletcher]

Okay, so they get less for Fleury in a year than they do now. If all they're going to get this year is a 2nd and a B prospect (which is about all the pundits here think the Flames should offer), then how much are they losing out if all they get in a year is a 2nd? Maybe the difference between Fleury's value now and in a year is the price Rutherford is willing to pay to have two strong goalies on-hand for another Cup run. Murray looked great, but young goalies who go on 30-40 game hot streaks can cool off in a hurry.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Okay, so they get less for Fleury in a year than they do now. If all they're going to get this year is a 2nd and a B prospect (which is about all the pundits here think the Flames should offer), then how much are they losing out if all they get in a year is a 2nd? Maybe the difference between Fleury's value now and in a year is the price Rutherford is willing to pay to have two strong goalies on-hand for another Cup run. Murray looked great, but young goalies who go on 30-40 game hot streaks can cool off in a hurry.

Who is going to give them a 2nd next summer, right in front of the expansion draft?

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Fair enough. I just don't see the Penguins in a "need to trade" situation. That day will not happen until the day before the expansion draft. And if it does come right down to that day, they could trade Murray for a kings ransom.

The rumours that the Penguins will only move Fleury for the right price because they are willing to keep both goalies make perfect sense to me. That's the best play for the Penguins.

And if MAFs NMC is going to be such a problem one year from now why wouldn't it be a problem right now?

Maybe the Flames are the only team who needs a starter. That doesn't mean that teams will be lining up to give them one.

MAFs NMC is a problem a year from now because it forces the Penguins to protect him and not Murray...

i don't know if MAF has a no trade or no movement clause, but at least right now, he might be able to dictate where he is traded to... and he doesn't have to platoon or ride the bench for a full season with continuing chatter/questions about his future with the Pens.

zero chance that Pens keep MAF and trade Murray... finding elite goaltending is arguably the toughest thing to project from a development point of view - no one's trading a future franchise goalie at 23 to keep a 33 year old on the decline.... the king's ransom you speak of would either have to be picks or unproven prospects that don't meet expansion criteria... otherwise you've just inflated your roster but still only have 10 players you can protect in the draft...

now, if they decide they want to keep MAF so that "they don't get taken advantage of and become and easy mark in the eyes of other GMS around the league" that's another can of worms entirely.

[Krynn]

U should see facebook some pens fans think that there also getting Sam Bennett along with the our 6th for Fleury

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by Krynn

U should see facebook some pens fans think that there also getting Sam Bennett along with the our 6th for Fleury

Facebook comments are the worst for hockey related anything. It's worse than HF. Don't browse the comments section, it'll lower your IQ.

[Ashasx]

A recent Stanley cup victory creates a lot of unintelligent bandwagon fans that don't understand hockey.

[Krynn]

Yea but it's worth a laugh

[Krynn]

Most of the people who was posting where saying the same as us that the pens are crazy if they think there going to get out first for maf never mind Bennett 2.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Who is going to give them a 2nd next summer, right in front of the expansion draft?

Someone that needs a goalie?
It is a risk to be sure - but they are betting that the return will be better at some point in the year when a team needs a goalie, due to poor performance of their current tenders, injury or other factors.
His value could be way higher at the deadline.
A gamble. But one they might take.