[News] Jimmy Vesey will go to unrestricted free agency

[Vinny01]

I get the impression he is going to either pick the team he wants like Boston or goes to the situation he thinks is the best fit long term. Shocking anyone would turn down a shot at playing in the playoffs on the top 6 and get paid right away.

If Toronto adds Matthews and Stamkos I could see him going there. The only reason I can see him going to Boston is due to wanting to live in the city not for the hockey team. NY and Chicago always seem to attract UFA's so they would have to be in the mix.

I certainly take him on the Flames but I can't see him picking Calgary out of the 30 teams considering we finished bottom 5 and are located in western Canada. As I mentioned above if he wants to play with Gaudreau that is an option but in the same token he would consider Edmonton and a chance to play with McDavid or Buffalo with Eichel

[Drake]

HackwithHaggs:

Sometimes tough to gauge the validity of these things, but there are whispers of Jimmy Vesey interest in Buffalo, and playing w/Jack Eichel

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Has Vesey said he won't sign in Nashville? From all I've read it says he's going to test UFA, which doesn't necessarily mean Nashville is out on him. Unless I've missed something.

There is literally nothing more any team can offer than what Nashville did. In fact, Nashville's original offer is better than any other offer he can now sign

[Samonadreau]

I really don't get why the kid didn't sign in Nashville - could be playing in the playoffs, great city, franchise is strong, apparently had a spot gift-wrapped.... just don't get it.

[Poe969]

so if it's not about money and it's about playing with a really good young american star, I think we need to play the "have you met Johnny Gaudreau" game with him.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

im not sure i want him given the way this all shook down.

not a fan of adding guys who negotiate like this to the mix

You'd miss out on a chance to make the team better because he didn't sign with the team he drafted? Seems like shooting yourself in the foot for no good reason.

[PeteMoss]

I wonder if a team like the Rangers or Leafs would give up a pick to get first crack at signing him if they think he's going to the Bruins if he hits UFA.

[bax]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

im not sure i want him given the way this all shook down.

not a fan of adding guys who negotiate like this to the mix

It's most likely just his agents advising him. I wouldn't hold it against the kid

[cannon7]

What was the last NCAA player that this strategy worked out for? Hayes? Seems like a significant risk to take before your pro career has even begun. Surprised agents are still advising their clients to do this sort of thing. There are worse hockey markets than Nashville. If being in a high pressure situation is a concern, then Nashville is one of the best options as you're in NASCAR country. Assuming Vesey has no resemblance to Dale Jr. of course. Just don't get this, he's basically setting the stage where he either needs to produce in his first year or so or be discarded like Erixon was.

[bax]

Originally Posted by cannon7

What was the last NCAA player that this strategy worked out for? Hayes? Seems like a significant risk to take before your pro career has even begun. Surprised agents are still advising their clients to do this sort of thing. There are worse hockey markets than Nashville. If being in a high pressure situation is a concern, then Nashville is one of the best options as you're in NASCAR country. Assuming Vesey has no resemblance to Dale Jr. of course. Just don't get this, he's basically setting the stage where he either needs to produce in his first year or so or be discarded like Erixon was.

I don't think there is any additional risk? He would be expected to produce just as much in Nashville as he would anywhere else.

[Poe969]

If not, more so in Nashville. Didn't they say that they were counting on him coming in and being a key contributor or something along those lines? Maybe he didn't want to be looked at as someone who was supposed to come in and make a difference right away.

I do hate this stupid rule because it gives the player pretty much all the power. It isn't that fair that someone like this gets to choose where they play because of how good they are and other players are forced to be drafted by the oilers because of how good they are...it just isn't fair.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by cannon7

What was the last NCAA player that this strategy worked out for? Hayes? Seems like a significant risk to take before your pro career has even begun. Surprised agents are still advising their clients to do this sort of thing. There are worse hockey markets than Nashville. If being in a high pressure situation is a concern, then Nashville is one of the best options as you're in NASCAR country. Assuming Vesey has no resemblance to Dale Jr. of course. Just don't get this, he's basically setting the stage where he either needs to produce in his first year or so or be discarded like Erixon was.

Depends on what you think is ok.

Even Schultz has earned an NHL salary for his entire career instead of having to earn an AHL salary by being sent down. I suspect someone will give him a few million this year as a free agent this year.

[IgiTang]

The compensatory pick, it comes from "the hockey gods" or is it from the team that eventually signs Vessey?

If it's not from the team that signs him, they should start looking at changing the rule.

It would make teams think twice about signing a kid who turned his back on the drafting team, and may make the player think twice as another team maybe reluctant to pick him up.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Poe969

If not, more so in Nashville. Didn't they say that they were counting on him coming in and being a key contributor or something along those lines? Maybe he didn't want to be looked at as someone who was supposed to come in and make a difference right away.

I do hate this stupid rule because it gives the player pretty much all the power. It isn't that fair that someone like this gets to choose where they play because of how good they are and other players are forced to be drafted by the oilers because of how good they are...it just isn't fair.

It is guys like these that the NHL needs a Scott Stevens to straighten out their careers. Scott Stevens says hello to Lindros!

[bax]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

The compensatory pick, it comes from "the hockey gods" or is it from the team that eventually signs Vessey?

If it's not from the team that signs him, they should start looking at changing the rule.

It would make teams think twice about signing a kid who turned his back on the drafting team, and may make the player think twice as another team maybe reluctant to pick him up.

There is no compensatory pick for Nashville. That rule only applies to first round picks. Vesey was drafted in the third round so the Predators get nothing.

[EldrickOnIce]

They don't give compensatory picks either, for a 4 year CHL player who doesn't sign with the team(s) that drafted him, when he signs as a free agent.

Perhaps there should be a compensatory pick (based on the contract) for any free agent player in that situation when they sign? Similar to offer sheets - in that compensation is based on the contract offer. A league minimum offer = nothing, a rookie max offer = ??

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by bax

There is no compensatory pick for Nashville. That rule only applies to first round picks. Vesey was drafted in the third round so the Predators get nothing.

I didn't even look at his draft position.

There should be though a compensatory pick for every drafted player and further to that, perhaps a penalty or premium to be paid based on that players 2nd contract after the ELC.

So if a player drafted in the 3rd rd, the team he jumps to pays a 3rd rounder off the top, then after the ELC that player goes and signs a $5m+ deal because they become an absolute stud, then the losing out team should gain further compensation in terms of money or something.

A similar concept to offer sheeting a player. You're never going to truly rid collusion. So why not have a system that makes GM's really think twice about bringing on a player who is jumping ship.

It would also make the player think twice as it would reduce the amount of teams the player could potentially go to.