[News] Proposed expansion draft rules. Expansion decision expected before 2016 draft.

[Demetric]

if expansion happens, you only need to protect the players that would be on contract for the following year, correct? so the soonest this draft would happen is next June, so the players you would need to protect are the ones under contract for 17/18 season .... is this correct?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Poe969

The issue with the one puck daddy did is that the did the draft for this summer but it would be next summer. Wideman is a UFA a year from now so they wouldn't have to claim him in a draft, just sign him.

Yeah, not like these mock drafts aren't pointless exercises anyway, but it's especially pointless to ignore such a basic thing as the timing.

They also have Lecavalier on the list even though he has already announced that he's retiring at the end of the season. Although, I guess Vegas could convince him to play out the contract.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Demetric

if expansion happens, you only need to protect the players that would be on contract for the following year, correct? so the soonest this draft would happen is next June, so the players you would need to protect are the ones under contract for 17/18 season .... is this correct?

Mostly yes. So Wideman's NMC goes away, as do contracts for players like Engelland and Smid. We would have to protect RFAs though, I would expect.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Who is St.Louis protecting to lose Bouwmeester? Parayko/Pietrangelo/Shattenkirk?

Suppose that makes sense although I suspect they'd trade one of them before losing for free.

That is kind of the point of these exercises. I was surprised to see the amount of talent that could be available for teams with roster space, *cough* Flames *cough*, could get in on prior to the expansion draft. There are some good names there.

[dammage79]

I'm curious if Gio gets protected if this happens. Thats a hefty cap hit for an older player moving forward. From a strict dollars and cents POV, leaving Gio unprotected could be a big money saver for the Flames.

You'd still have Hamilton and Brodie as your D foundation. With a few promising prospects to fill in the voids.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Demetric

if expansion happens, you only need to protect the players that would be on contract for the following year, correct? so the soonest this draft would happen is next June, so the players you would need to protect are the ones under contract for 17/18 season .... is this correct?

This is unclear as well.

It seems like the some guys became UFAs after recent expansion drafts. Columbus picked Dallas Drake in the Expansion draft which was in June 2000 and then he signed with St.Louis on July 1, 2000. They also took Mathieu Scheinder and he signed LA that summer.

I suppose it would give the expansion team a shot to sign a free agent prior to the rest of the league could (similar to those UFA trades that sometimes happen - believe the Flames did this with Wideman and Bouwmeester).

If that's the case - the would make Wideman a much harder guy to trade. If the Flames had to protect him they'd pretty much have to go the eight skater route instead of losing one of their big 3.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm curious if Gio gets protected if this happens. Thats a hefty cap hit for an older player moving forward. From a strict dollars and cents POV, leaving Gio unprotected could be a big money saver for the Flames.

You'd still have Hamilton and Brodie as your D foundation. With a few promising prospects to fill in the voids.

Highly doubt it. They just wouldn't have signed him if they were that worried about it. I suppose if he gets hurt or sucks next year its possible.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm curious if Gio gets protected if this happens. Thats a hefty cap hit for an older player moving forward. From a strict dollars and cents POV, leaving Gio unprotected could be a big money saver for the Flames.

You'd still have Hamilton and Brodie as your D foundation. With a few promising prospects to fill in the voids.

I've been thinking about this possibility as well.

What if he goes unclaimed? Then you have an awkward situation.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm curious if Gio gets protected if this happens. Thats a hefty cap hit for an older player moving forward. From a strict dollars and cents POV, leaving Gio unprotected could be a big money saver for the Flames.

You'd still have Hamilton and Brodie as your D foundation. With a few promising prospects to fill in the voids.

I'd trade him first for picks and prospects (exempt by 2yr pro rule) and then use that spot to exempt another player before letting him get taken for nothing.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

This is unclear as well.

It seems like the some guys became UFAs after recent expansion drafts. Columbus picked Dallas Drake in the Expansion draft which was in June 2000 and then he signed with St.Louis on July 1, 2000. They also took Mathieu Scheinder and he signed LA that summer.

I suppose it would give the expansion team a shot to sign a free agent prior to the rest of the league could (similar to those UFA trades that sometimes happen - believe the Flames did this with Wideman and Bouwmeester).

If that's the case - the would make Wideman a much harder guy to trade. If the Flames had to protect him they'd pretty much have to go the eight skater route instead of losing one of their big 3.

Part of the reason that happened back in the last expansion is you used to get draft picks for lost UFAs. It's was why you'd see a bunch of big names dealth June 30th just to sign with their old team on July 1st.

Expansion teams were expected to be terrible for 5+ years off the bat so extra picks were an asset.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by saillias

I've been thinking about this possibility as well.

What if he goes unclaimed? Then you have an awkward situation.

I don't think he'd go unclaimed. An expansion team would covet his leadership and stability. Not saying the Flames don't need it either, but they do have the people in place to deal with losing Gio if it happened. Where an expansion team would almost see Gio and an absolute necessity to get their organization rolling the right way off the bat.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

This is unclear as well.

It seems like the some guys became UFAs after recent expansion drafts. Columbus picked Dallas Drake in the Expansion draft which was in June 2000 and then he signed with St.Louis on July 1, 2000. They also took Mathieu Scheinder and he signed LA that summer. .

They claimed UFAs to receive the compensation pick for losing them. That compensation no longer exists.

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I don't think he'd go unclaimed. An expansion team would covet his leadership and stability. Not saying the Flames don't need it either, but they do have the people in place to deal with losing Gio if it happened. Where an expansion team would almost see Gio and an absolute necessity to get their organization rolling the right way off the bat.

There's also the other small wrinkle.... The NHL never does anything easy but the talk about exposing 25% of your salary cap also must be considered. Gio does help in this regard. Presuming we spend to ~74MM would mean we would have to expose $18MM.

As has been stated and thought about by everyone on CP. No easy decisions not just for the Flames but all of the GM's. Kind of glad we have a Treliving and a Burke (Who has gone through a couple of the expansions) on our side. Much better than Feaster, Ken King, and Weisbrod or that's my first thoughts.

[Red Menace]

Getting to 25% wont be an issue for Flames with new Johnny and Mony contracts + Dougie and TJ, that is probably more than 25% with just those 4 guys...

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

Getting to 25% wont be an issue for Flames with new Johnny and Mony contracts + Dougie and TJ, that is probably more than 25% with just those 4 guys...

They have to expose 25%. The Flames will be protecting those players you name

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

Getting to 25% wont be an issue for Flames with new Johnny and Mony contracts + Dougie and TJ, that is probably more than 25% with just those 4 guys...

But that's who we'd protect, not expose

[Toonage]

Exposing 25% of the cap right now would mean Stajan, Engelland, Raymond, Jooris, Hathaway, Wideman & Bollig. Wouldn't be a problem to protect the players they want but ensuring 25% was left available. I guess this where poor contracts would benefit the Flames. This would obviously change come the expansion year though.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Losing Giordano in an expansion draft would be a huge blow to the re-build. The Flames would be a league laughing stock if that went down. Not trying to piss anyone off, it's genuinely how I feel.

[FakenHaken]

^^^ I read it as yes you can protect your JG, Mony, Hamilton. There's no doubt about the easy ones. You have to expose though 25% of the year's previous payroll. So it is a wrinkle to expose 18 other players at $1MM to get to 25% exposed. If that makes sense. Unless I read it wrong.

I think we will be upwards of the top cap number which is how I get to the $18MM. If you are protecting all your big name high payroll players you could have a problem is all I'm saying.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Losing Giordano in an expansion draft would be a huge blow to the re-build. The Flames would be a league laughing stock if that went down. Not trying to piss anyone off, it's genuinely how I feel.

100% agree the Flames would look more than foolish signing their Captain to a long term extension and then leaving him unprotected. People would/should be fired if that were to occur.