[PGT] Flames beat the Jets 4-1. Johnny! Johnny! Johnny!

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, I don't think it's too much of a surprise that he is getting his assists, but what I find amazing is how much he is scoring.

He leads his draft class by a fairly wide margin in goals per game:

Gaudreau.: .35
Kucherov..: .29
Landeskog: .28
Jenner......: .27
Saad........: .26
RNH.........: .25

and Tod Button had Kucherov on the board as well. Can you imagine had we stole Kucherov in the 2nd round and Gaudreau in the 4th?

[GreenLantern2814]

I've been rewatching the first goal for the last ten minutes. Wideman is standing still, and Johnny's pass is way too hard for him to one time. He knows Enstrom is baiting him to force it through to a guy who's not in the right position.

When he releases that puck, his best option to score is the deflection. Just like it was against Doughty. The fist pump seals it - I don't think Johnny Gaudreau would celebrate like that over a fluke.

[Jaydee]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I've been rewatching the first goal for the last ten minutes. Wideman is standing still, and Johnny's pass is way too hard for him to one time. He knows Enstrom is baiting him to force it through to a guy who's not in the right position.

When he releases that puck, his best option to score is the deflection. Just like it was against Doughty. The fist pump seals it - I don't think Johnny Gaudreau would celebrate like that over a fluke.

Let's not get delusional here... He got lucky on both of those goals. He's actually had his fair share of good luck on a lot of goals, not to discredit him at all; you have to be good to be lucky!

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I've been rewatching the first goal for the last ten minutes. Wideman is standing still, and Johnny's pass is way too hard for him to one time. He knows Enstrom is baiting him to force it through to a guy who's not in the right position.

When he releases that puck, his best option to score is the deflection. Just like it was against Doughty. The fist pump seals it - I don't think Johnny Gaudreau would celebrate like that over a fluke.

Haha you can't be serious.

[jg13]

If he intentionally did that then he could score from centre ice at will

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by jg13

If he intentionally did that then he could score from centre ice at will

The Doughty goal, I still think was completely intentional.

That shot though was a pass across to Wideman who was down low and in the trajectory of where the puck was going. Enstrom extended his stick to stop or deflect the pass and unfortunately for him, he directed it into the net. I don't think that was the intentional play, just a happy accident.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

Let's not get delusional here... He got lucky on both of those goals. He's actually had his fair share of good luck on a lot of goals, not to discredit him at all; you have to be good to be lucky!

I agree that the goal against the Jets was lucky (either passing it to Monahan or Wideman), however, whenever you find yourself saying someone is lucky a lot, it's usually time to give them more credit.

[AcGold]

It's both luck and skill. He puts the puck in the right place at the right time to give advantageous positioning if his initial shot or pass didn't work. Kind of like how a billiards expert will set up the next shot with the current shot, that's what Johnny does.

[btimbit]

Not sure how much they showed the goal Brodie saved on TV, the highlight package kinda glosses over it, but live and up close it was a piece of absolute wizardry. I don't know how the hell he did that.

[GreenLantern2814]

Okay was it 100% intentional? Maybe not. But that goal doesn't happen because of happenstance. The kid is an artist - he knew the deflection was on the table.

[Mony]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, I don't think it's too much of a surprise that he is getting his assists, but what I find amazing is how much he is scoring.

He leads his draft class by a fairly wide margin in goals per game:

Gaudreau.: .35
Kucherov..: .29
Landeskog: .28
Jenner......: .27
Saad........: .26
RNH.........: .25

Interesting and awesome goals/game stat. I'm interested in seeing his assists/game stat compared to his draft peers. Couldn't find anything on that though.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Okay was it 100% intentional? Maybe not. But that goal doesn't happen because of happenstance. The kid is an artist - he knew the deflection was on the table.

Mostly luck. Winnipeg has likely studied Calgary's PP and knows about Monahan being an option for the slap pass. That's why Thorburn was lifting his stick repeatedly as soon as Johnny was looking for an option.




So Johnny blasts it to Wideman at the backdoor - while way too far off and too fast to one-time, it's certainly not out of reach for a grab & stuff.



Enstrom moved his stick blade into the lane after the slap-pass was off. If he had his stick at another angle it would've been quite a spectacular defensive play. Well, he sure blocked it.. right into his own net!

[McG]

luck or not, i always tell the soccer players that i coach that if they are in the right position, the ball will find them. i feel a bit like that about johnny; he knows where to be, and the puck finds him.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Mostly luck. Winnipeg has likely studied Calgary's PP and knows about Monahan being an option for the slap pass. That's why Thorburn was lifting his stick repeatedly as soon as Johnny was looking for an option.




So Johnny blasts it to Wideman at the backdoor - while way too far off and too fast to one-time, it's certainly not out of reach for a grab & stuff.



Enstrom moved his stick blade into the lane after the slap-pass was off. If he had his stick at another angle it would've been quite a spectacular defensive play. Well, he sure blocked it.. right into his own net!

After Johnny shoots, Wideman doesn't even make an attempt to receive the pass. He is in the exact same position before Gaudreau shoots as he is when it hits Enstrom's stick. Watch his head, he's thinking the puck is going wide and out of the zone.

That means either Gaudreau missed Wideman by 5 feet on the wrong side with nobody in his face, or he was playing Enstrom. Or luck

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Mony

Interesting and awesome goals/game stat. I'm interested in seeing his assists/game stat compared to his draft peers. Couldn't find anything on that though.

Well, seeing as it's Christmas...

Gaudreau.: .54
Palat........: .48
RNH.........: .47
Landeskog: .42
Huberdeau: .40

Dougie Hamilton is 10th btw

[Heavy Jack]

For all the discussion about whether or not Johnny intentionally shot for Enstrom's stick, Johnny is on record saying that he was aiming for the back door and caught a lucky break with the deflect.

That said Johnny is going to grab so many more lucky breaks than your average player or even your productive scoring forwards because his style of play creates all the time. He's 15 goals already just 9 back of last year and we aren't even half way through the season yet. I can easily see a 40+ even 50+ goals in a season out of Gaudreau just based purely on the fact that his offense creates unreal chances almost on a shift by shidt basis. I mean he's at 102 points in 115 games so far but I can remember many, many, many what if's already through his first season and a half. Prepare for an hour AC Gaudreau video this off-season, hell even a Overtime Gaudreau video to boot!

[Dion]

[MoreDrank]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

After Johnny shoots, Wideman doesn't even make an attempt to receive the pass. He is in the exact same position before Gaudreau shoots as he is when it hits Enstrom's stick. Watch his head, he's thinking the puck is going wide and out of the zone.

That means either Gaudreau missed Wideman by 5 feet on the wrong side with nobody in his face, or he was playing Enstrom. Or luck

Wideman doesn't attempt to take the pass because he is bad at the game of hockey outside of his specialized wheelhouse—blasting pucks from the point.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I think a few people are under-valuing Wideman on the point. I will say he is not looking quite like himself - especially for the first half of the games played thus far - but he is starting to look much more like last year's Wideman now. He was deadly from the point last year.

I think it takes a while for a defencemen to pick up Wideman's skills as a PPQB. He was awesome at getting the puck through to the net (horrible to start the season, but again, much better as of late). He is also great at pass-slapping, intentional slapshot off the boards, a decent wrister, and is great at holding the puck in. He can also make great plays while pinching (really seemed to have great chemistry doing so with Gaudreau in particular, whereas I didn't see it as much with Giordano or Brodie last year).

I can see why Hartley was still throwing him out on the PP. He might not have deserved his 1st unit PP-time after the first 5-10 games (which were indeed horrible), and the the next 10 games weren't exactly 'great' either, but there was a distinct improvement and there does continue to be an improvement. Getting Wideman to start generating offence at the same rate as he was last year would be a huge boon for the Flames, especially their league-worst PP.

Without looking, I would say Wideman probably was easily in the top 10 last year in PP points. If Hartley can get him going again, the PP will start becoming much more effective again, and teams won't be so inclined to take penalties against the Flames.

It is an 'if', granted, but Wideman was probably the biggest reason last year as to why the PP was fairly effective. If Wideman wasn't improving on the PP, I would be calling for a change as well. He is looking more like himself out there, so patience I think in this situation is warranted I think. If he isn't himself after a week or two in January, then I think Hartley needs to look at Hamilton or even Russell on the 1st unit (Russell has a pretty good shot too).

I love Brodie's playmaking and pinching ability, but I still think on the PP you need a guy with a bomb. I see Brodie more as an extremely effective transition player more than a 'set play' kind of guy, if that makes sense - by far the most effective from the backend at it.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

After Johnny shoots, Wideman doesn't even make an attempt to receive the pass. He is in the exact same position before Gaudreau shoots as he is when it hits Enstrom's stick. Watch his head, he's thinking the puck is going wide and out of the zone.

That means either Gaudreau missed Wideman by 5 feet on the wrong side with nobody in his face, or he was playing Enstrom. Or luck

Originally Posted by MoreDrank

Wideman doesn't attempt to take the pass because he is bad at the game of hockey outside of his specialized wheelhouse—blasting pucks from the point.

During the intermission interview with Millions he said he was trying to feed Widman on the backdoor play.


How any one is arguing for him doing it on purpose even exists is perplexity.


Out of Johnnys' own mouth saying he was trying to pass it to Wideman but it delects in.

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