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btimbit · 11-25-2015, 09:01 PM

Going to be an anxious morning tomorrow

1qqaaz · 11-25-2015, 09:19 PM

I wonder if Ortio would even want to re-sign with the Flames at the end of the season anyways

saillias · 11-25-2015, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I wonder if Ortio would even want to re-sign with the Flames at the end of the season anyways

Beggars can't be choosers. Tweener goalies are a dime a dozen.

Inferno · 11-25-2015, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I wonder if Ortio would even want to re-sign with the Flames at the end of the season anyways

I honestly wouldn't blame him one bit if he didn't.

sun · 11-25-2015, 09:36 PM

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thats great i could give 2 ducks what u think

Yes please!

JiriHrdina · 11-25-2015, 09:50 PM

Pro sports is about opportunity and taking advantage of it. Orio has had opportunities - with the limited games he's had plus every day in practice. We can debate if he has had a fair opportunity but pro sports isn't about fairness.

If he gets another opportunity, either in Calgary or elsewhere, he best take advantage of it. Ask Leland Irving how quickly those opportunities can vanish.

FiveSeven · 11-25-2015, 10:44 PM

It's also about asset management. I don't think they dealt with him the correct way. There is no reason not to give him another shot with the team in front of him at least playing somewhat better and after actually having proper practice time.

JiriHrdina · 11-25-2015, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FiveSeven

It's also about asset management. I don't think they dealt with him the correct way. There is no reason not to give him another shot with the team in front of him at least playing somewhat better and after actually having proper practice time.

Bob Hartley would argue that his job isn't to manage assets - it is to win games. If he thinks, on any given game day, that Ortio doesn't give him the best chance to win - he won't start him.

If the Flames are out of it completely - then I agree - see what you have. But they clearly haven't thrown in the towel yet. Though if we are being hoenst I think this season is already over.

Hells Bells · 11-25-2015, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Inferno

I honestly wouldn't blame him one bit if he didn't.

I wouldn't blame the Flames if they had no interest at all in re-signing him.

Hells Bells · 11-25-2015, 10:54 PM

I think he clears.

He just isn't good enough for any team to waste a roster spot on all season.

Caged Great · 11-25-2015, 10:55 PM

I think this off season you will see the team likely find two new goalies or keep one of Ramo/Hiller to be the backup and acquire another guy to be the #1.

I could easily see all three moving on after this year.

kehatch · 11-25-2015, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Bob Hartley would argue that his job isn't to manage assets - it is to win games. If he thinks, on any given game day, that Ortio doesn't give him the best chance to win - he won't start him.

If the Flames are out of it completely - then I agree - see what you have. But they clearly haven't thrown in the towel yet. Though if we are being hoenst I think this season is already over.

Obviously what he is doing is working...

Strange Brew · 11-25-2015, 11:27 PM

To me the criticism of the Flames is not so much asset management vs. player development. Ortio seemed to have flashes but clearly he had not developed to the point where they had confidence in him playing. Most of that is on the player but ultimately the organization needs to develop young players in the system.

Gaudreau, Bennett and Monahan all developed outside the Flames and then had immediate impact on the big club. Sure could use a player this year or next who jumps from the A to make an impact. Poirier?

JiriHrdina · 11-25-2015, 11:28 PM

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Obviously what he is doing is working...

Easy pot shot, but irrelevant to the matter at hand.

JiriHrdina · 11-25-2015, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

To me the criticism of the Flames is not so much asset management vs. player development. Ortio seemed to have flashes but clearly he had not developed to the point where they had confidence in him playing. Most of that is on the player but ultimately the organization needs to develop young players in the system.

Gaudreau, Bennett and Monahan all developed outside the Flames and then had immediate impact on the big club. Sure could use a player this year or next who jumps from the A to make an impact. Poirier?

On the main roster now there are 9 players that are home grown. I don't know how that matches against other teams - but seems pretty good. That excludes Ortio.
Let's remember Ortio was a sixth round pick.

kehatch · 11-25-2015, 11:53 PM

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Easy pot shot, but irrelevant to the matter at hand.

The Flames have two mediocre veterans that are pending free agents and an NHL ready up and commer who is waiver eligible and a pending RFA.

The GMs thought process is probably that he wants to see what he has in the up and commer so he can figure out how to manage his goalie situation.

The coaches thought process should be that the two mediocre goalies that are playing terrible and won't be any better then mediocre. So he might as well see what he has in the up and commer so he can figure out how to manage his goalie situation.

Different thought process, same conclusion.

I don't know of Hartley came to a premature negative conclusion on Ortio, if he was sticking with his vets out of loyalty, or if he was bitter he had to deal with a three goalie situation. But he made the wrong decisions and now neither the coach or GM have the data on Ortio to make intelligent decisions going forward.

The only argument is "he was doing what he thought gave them the best chance to win." But they aren't winning and goal tending is a big part of the problem. Pot shot or not, it certainly isn't irrelevant. In fact it is one of the only things that is.

Calgary4LIfe · 11-25-2015, 11:59 PM

Ortio has shown last season that he does have starter potential. Needs to continue developing, but without a doubt in my mind he has starter potential.

With that being said, I think he clears. Only because I can't think of a team right now that needs a backup right now, and Ortio has not shown well this season thus far.

Doesn't erase what he has accomplished the last couple of years in the AHL/NHL. Legit goalie prospect. A team just has to place him on the roster. I don't see any open slots at the moment, so I bet he clears - though wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't either.

nightfx · 11-26-2015, 12:53 AM

I'll be disappointed if Ortio is lost, he'll be yet another goalie prospect that the Flames have failed to transition into the NHL after solid AHL seasons.

Inferno · 11-26-2015, 01:48 AM

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I wouldn't blame the Flames if they had no interest at all in re-signing him.

That's fine. I wouldn't blame him because even though he wasn't impressive in his two starts I don't think the Flames have handled the situation properly right from the offseason when Treliving unnecessarily created the three headed monster.

Pointman · 11-26-2015, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Bob Hartley would argue that his job isn't to manage assets - it is to win games. If he thinks, on any given game day, that Ortio doesn't give him the best chance to win - he won't start him.

A honest question here. Is Hartley's job to win games or to do whatever is the best for organization? What happens if the Flames feel they need to ice some player because they need to showcase him for trade or they want to develop him or whatever, but the coach doesn't feel like said player gives him best chance to win? If coach only cares about his W-L record and doesn't care about organization's interests, isn't he a bit like a player, who only cares about his own stats and doesn't care about the team?