Flames at Pride reaction

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

Or put another way, discuss this like rational adults and stop acting like a bunch of mealy mouthed x-box players. You are all exponentially better than this. Grow up.

Do you even read this forum?

Clearly the majority here are mealy mouthed PlayStation players. We even have a poll that says as much.

[Minnie]

Great photo. My kid is there today. I was supposed to go with her but ended up with a wicked ear infection. We were going to go to that, then out to Canmore for the Highland Games, and take the bikes but it all got kiboshed. I hope she's having a good time! She called up a friend and they were meeting there.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by Minnie

I'm sorry you're too delicate to deal with the fact that calling a homophobe a homophobe is what should happen. Just like calling someone a racist when they're being effing racist is how it goes. Funny how you seemingly have no issue with that word, but oh golly gee whilikers, homophobe is the end of the bloody world. Please. Just please.

Nice. We're done here I think.

[MissTeeks]

Flames, Hitmen, Roughnecks and Inferno members:

[SebC]

I assume that unless you know who's hooking up with who, a straight pride parade would looks a lot like a gay pride parade...

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

Thank you for proving my point. This does NOTHING to move the conversation forward or to help this fellow see why so many feel his stance is wrong. But you just go ahead and keep up the name calling. That's going to make things SO much better

Again though, it's not name calling. Like I said earlier, I was a homophobe when I was younger and you what was a big part of my change? The fact that when I was a teenager there was no label for hating/not accepting the gay community.

The fact that being a homophobe became a negative thing and meant you weren't the kind, accepting person you thought you were was a HUGE part of why I changed.

Are these people changing because people leave them be and let them have their views uncontested? Do they change their views when people argue politely and without calling them what they are? Not from what I've seen on CP. Words are powerful and the battle for equality needed some uumph behind terms.

f***** has become a powerful word in a negative way, in that it is no longer socially acceptable to use.

homophobe has become a powerful word in that it is no longer socially acceptable to be homophobic.

Change isn't as simple as "let people be, let them have their views", because then we wouldn't see much change in this world. Sometimes a spade needs to be called a spade, so that people hopefully look inside themselves and reflect and change accordingly. It worked for me and has likely worked for millions of people.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Ready to march:

We traded for Phil Kessel?

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Again though, it's not name calling. Like I said earlier, I was a homophobe when I was younger and you what was a big part of my change? The fact that when I was a teenager there was no label for hating/not accepting the gay community.

The fact that being a homophobe became a negative thing and meant you weren't the kind, accepting person you thought you were was a HUGE part of why I changed.

Are these people changing because people leave them be and let them have their views uncontested? Do they change their views when people argue politely and without calling them what they are? Not from what I've seen on CP. Words are powerful and the battle for equality needed some uumph behind terms.

f***** has become a powerful word in a negative way, in that it is no longer socially acceptable to use.

homophobe has become a powerful word in that it is no longer socially acceptable to be homophobic.

Change isn't as simple as "let people be, let them have their views", because then we wouldn't see much change in this world. Sometimes a spade needs to be called a spade, so that people hopefully look inside themselves and reflect and change accordingly. It worked for me and has likely worked for millions of people.

Where did I say to let him be and have his views? I never once said that. Don't put words in my mouth. I said find a better way to educate him. Going straight to "You are a giant homophobe" isn't going to make him pause for thought. It's going to raise his hackles and have him dig in his heels, which is EXACTLY what happened here.

[MrMastodonFarm]

I'd love to see a Flames player come out in the next couple years, be one of the first hockey players to do so.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

Where did I say to let him be and have his views? I never once said that. Don't put words in my mouth. I said find a better way to educate him. Going straight to "You are a giant homophobe" isn't going to make him pause for thought. It's going to raise his hackles and have him dig in his heels, which is EXACTLY what happened here.

Well, to be fair no one called him a "giant homophobe" so that's also putting words in people's mouths. Calling someone a giant homophobe would be unnecessary and an attack, imo. Calling someone homophobic isn't.

And I disagree for the reasons I stated in the post you quoted (I was speaking more in general terms of society at that point in the post that you quoted and said I put words in your mouth, btw, sorry for the lack of clarity), I think we do need to be tough and make sure we keep battling these guys to bring them into present day society.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I'd love to see a Flames player come out in the next couple years, be one of the first hockey players to do so.

I would love to see a world where none of this matters. Where we stop caring who mashes their genitals with whom, what colour their skin is, or which God they claim fealty with. Where we judge a person on their accomplishments and stances on issues and nothing more. Of course that is so far beyond our generation it's a pipedream to see in my lifetime, but I have hope for my kids and their children should they decide they want them.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Well, to be fair no one called him a "giant homophobe" so that's also putting words in people's mouths. Calling someone a giant homophobe would be unnecessary and an attack, imo. Calling someone homophobic isn't.

And I disagree for the reasons I stated in the post you quoted (I was speaking more in general terms of society at that point in the post that you quoted and said I put words in your mouth, btw, sorry for the lack of clarity), I think we do need to be tough and make sure we keep battling these guys to bring them into present day society.

Ok I see what your point is. I don't fully agree, but at least we agree it shouldn't matter whom is in love with whom. It's called love and that's all that really matters.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

I would love to see a world where none of this matters. Where we stop caring who mashes their genitals with whom, what colour their skin is, or which God they claim fealty with. Where we judge a person on their accomplishments and stances on issues and nothing more. Of course that is so far beyond our generation it's a pipedream to see in my lifetime, but I have hope for my kids and their children should they decide they want them.

Yep, and that's exactly what we're all fighting for here? To reach what you're describing as fast as possible. We're not there yet, and that's why all this happens.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

I would love to see a world where none of this matters. Where we stop caring who mashes their genitals with whom, what colour their skin is, or which God they claim fealty with. Where we judge a person on their accomplishments and stances on issues and nothing more. Of course that is so far beyond our generation it's a pipedream to see in my lifetime, but I have hope for my kids and their children should they decide they want them.

Okay sure, that would be the utopic end goal but I think what I said is more realistic and is the first baby step.

[Minnie]

Please tell me what we call the man in Banff who turned around and screamed at my daughter and her girlfriend, for holding hands and walking down the sidewalk. Gee, the nerve, holding hands. He screamed some vile ####. I suppose we could call him Bob.

Or, the guy in Radium who came up to my daughter and her girlfriend in the pool, and told them to 'quit being so cliche' because my daughter simply lifted her arm and rested it on the pool ledge, behind her girlfriend, and placed her hand on her girlfriend's shoulder. I suppose we could call him Larry. Who knew showing you care for someone is so cliche? It wasn't cliche when he was doing the exact same thing with his wife, seconds earlier. WTFE, homophobe.


Just 2 examples. I'm fairly ok with the word homophobe. If you're acting like one, then I'm going to call you one. I'm not really all that interested that it pisses you off, or insults you. Frankly, the issue is yours to deal with. Not mine. Not my daughter's or her girlfriends.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Seeing some photos on twitter roll in... was it too cold for the naked men with their smooth dongs today? Not seeing any twigs, not being any berries.

Gayest thing right now is probably member of Council Sean Chu with his turtlenecked shirt.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Please tell me what we call the man in Banff who turned around and screamed at my daughter and her girlfriend, for holding hands and walking down the sidewalk. Gee, the nerve, holding hands. He screamed some vile ####. I suppose we could call him Bob.

Or, the guy in Radium who came up to my daughter and her girlfriend in the pool, and told them to 'quit being so cliche' because my daughter simply lifted her arm and rested it on the pool ledge, behind her girlfriend, and placed her hand on her girlfriend's shoulder. I suppose we could call him Larry. Who knew showing you care for someone is so cliche? It wasn't cliche when he was doing the exact same thing with his wife, seconds earlier. WTFE, homophobe.


Just 2 examples. I'm fairly ok with the word homophobe. If you're acting like one, then I'm going to call you one. I'm not really all that interested that it pisses you off, or insults you. Frankly, the issue is yours to deal with. Not mine. Not my daughter's or her girlfriends.

Hey scream and rail away at me. As my son and his soon to be husband have taught me, not everyone will understand the open hand approach at teaching love. That's fine if you feel that going stick is the way you want to be, but for my life that's not going to be how we roll.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by jayswin

We traded for Phil Kessel?

That's Jordan Sigalet, goaltending coach.

[Quincy Egg]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I'd love to see a Flames player come out in the next couple years, be one of the first hockey players to do so.

...Why?

Just so the Flames can say they were the first in the NHL? This isn't a competition.

[terminator]

The fact that this thread exists shows that we do not, yet, see gay as equal.