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View Poll Results: What do you think of the Bouma contact?
Good term and AAV. 280 55.67%
Good term. AAV is low. 6 1.19%
Good term. AAV is high. 179 35.59%
AAV is good. Term is too long. 12 2.39%
AAV is good. Term is too short. 8 1.59%
Both term and AAV is bad. 18 3.58%
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Old 07-24-2015, 03:52 PM   #201
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To what someone could reasonably expect him to perform in the future.



And if he can do that every year for the next three years it'll be more then worth it... if he reverts back to the 5 goal, 10 assist he did the year prior... what other 5 goal guys get 2.2M per?

Don't pay people for what they did... pay them for what they're gonna do.
Again though, what would be your comparisons contract-wise?

He's played two full NHL seasons, getting better from the 1st to the 2nd - it's not like he has a long history of being a 5G, 10A guy.

He has shown continued growth, and the team clearly believes it will continue.

The Blues just signed Tarasenko to an 8 year, 60M dollar deal.

Tarasenko has played two full NHL seasons.

Year 1: 21G, 22A, 43 Points
Year 2: 37G, 36A, 73 Points

It's on a different scale, but the same point remains. If Tarasenko proves to be a 43 point player and not a 73 point player, it's an awful contract. Tarasenko seems to be trending upwards though, just like Bouma (granted, different roles) - so by your logic if Bouma is overpaid because a year ago he had a 5G, 10A season then so is Tarasenko because he had a 21G, 22A season a year ago. This is just how the league works now, young players get paid for short resumes and promising futures.
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Old 07-24-2015, 09:51 PM   #202
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Shifts like this are worth the extra 200 K alone.

https://twitter.com/NHLFlames/status/624751645679706112
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Old 07-24-2015, 10:02 PM   #203
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Shifts like this are worth the extra 200 K alone.

https://twitter.com/NHLFlames/status/624751645679706112
"Happy" to report that upon signing his new contract, Bouma was seen immediately resuming his off-season traing regimen:

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Old 07-24-2015, 10:10 PM   #204
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Old 07-24-2015, 10:58 PM   #205
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"That was the old price" -Draisaitl and Nurse in unison, while tearing up the oilers standard 6x6 bridge contract. They likely both also realized Ferland isn't going anywhere.
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Old 07-24-2015, 11:26 PM   #206
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Old 07-24-2015, 11:30 PM   #207
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He's played two full NHL seasons, getting better from the 1st to the 2nd - it's not like he has a long history of being a 5G, 10A guy.
Excluding the year he missed due to injury here is his professional level (combined AHL/NHL) shooting percentage year to year...

15%
6%
7%
8%

... he has a history as a shooter and it's not that of a 15% sharpshooter. The likelihood of him reaching his level of offense displayed last year is small... not impossible but his career norm would suggest it's unlikely.
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Old 07-24-2015, 11:43 PM   #208
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Excluding the year he missed due to injury here is his professional level (combined AHL/NHL) shooting percentage year to year...

15%
6%
7%
8%

... he has a history as a shooter and it's not that of a 15% sharpshooter. The likelihood of him reaching his level of offense displayed last year is small... not impossible but his career norm would suggest it's unlikely.
If I remember right he was working offseason with a shooting coach last year and plans to again this summer. That might have something to do with the jump. It would be nice if he brought Paul Byron with him this year. That guy could have had 20 goals on breakaways last year,
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Old 07-25-2015, 05:58 AM   #209
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Excluding the year he missed due to injury here is his professional level (combined AHL/NHL) shooting percentage year to year...

15%
6%
7%
8%

... he has a history as a shooter and it's not that of a 15% sharpshooter. The likelihood of him reaching his level of offense displayed last year is small... not impossible but his career norm would suggest it's unlikely.
But you ignore 2013 when it was 14.1%

If you want to make these kinds of small sample, early career arguments over stats, and just cherry pick the ones you like, how about these (just NHL):

2011: 0%
2012: 3.8%
2014: 6.1%
2015: 15.4%

clearly a nice steady progression.

or how about this:

2013: 14.1% (Abbottsford)
2014: 6.1%
2015: 15.4%

clearly from that we can conclude that he was just unlucky in 2014

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Old 07-25-2015, 11:38 AM   #210
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Who cares what Bouma's shooting % is? This is a prime example of advance stats shifting convos to unimportant factors. All we should be talking about is Bouma history with points.
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