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[peter12]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

Who the hell cares about social policies? Social policies only serve as distractions to simple minded people. The fact of the matter is that Democrats fail on economic issues due most of them being idealistic Socialists.

Or that the Democracts are basically in the back-pocket of Google, Microsoft, and the rest of the Silicon Valley crowd, and have done nothing to stop the massive devaluing of labour in the United States.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

Who the hell cares about social policies? Social policies only serve as distractions to simple minded people. The fact of the matter is that Democrats fail on economic issues due most of them being idealistic Socialists.

Good thing social policies like universal sufferage, equal rights, drug laws, abortion rights, etc affect no one

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Good thing social policies like universal sufferage, equal rights, drug laws, abortion rights, etc affect no one

A poll last year put the abortion debate at a dead heat. Drug policy is similar, I bet.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/170249/sp...-pro-life.aspx

The debate is a lot more heated among Americans than most techno-progressives would like to believe.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

Who the hell cares about social policies? Social policies only serve as distractions to simple minded people. The fact of the matter is that Democrats fail on economic issues due most of them being idealistic Socialists.

Ummm an increasing majority of people? NDP in AB, NDP gaining good traction federally in Canada, climate change and environmental regulations as a common political talking point. If you think shifts are outliers you're wrong and are already behind. Cry about economy all you want (like Cons here and Republicans there have done a good job of it?), but this stuff is happening. Adapt or go away.

But we've seen from your many posts how far behind you are, so I guess there's not much point in trying to convince you.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

Who the hell cares about social policies? Social policies only serve as distractions to simple minded people. The fact of the matter is that Democrats fail on economic issues due most of them being idealistic Socialists.

Actually it's Republicans that keep social issues on the front burner because most of their supporters are easy to exploit using emotional issues (like abortion) to drive them to the polls. Because when you examine the economic records of the last 3 Republican Presidents in depth, you realize they suck even worse than the Democrats at running the economy, and they can't actually win elections on that. But playing to the base with the social issues? That's always gonna play even if it totally dooms them come general election time.

Originally Posted by peter12

A poll last year put the abortion debate at a dead heat. Drug policy is similar, I bet.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/170249/sp...-pro-life.aspx

The debate is a lot more heated among Americans than most techno-progressives would like to believe.

Because an absurdly large amount of Americans still think the Earth is 6,000 years old. That America has the largest percentage of people with low IQs in the world is the reason for these things not being dead yet. Every other developed country has moved on from this issue.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by peter12

Or that the Democracts are basically in the back-pocket of Google, Microsoft, and the rest of the Silicon Valley crowd, and have done nothing to stop the massive devaluing of labour in the United States.

Probably true. However, I would suggest that Republicans are far more beholden to big corporate money.

And I'm not sure what, apart perhaps from major trade barriers, either party could do about the devaluing of labour in the United States. I certainly haven't heard many credible proposals from Republicans on that front.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

Who the hell cares about social policies? Social policies only serve as distractions to simple minded people. The fact of the matter is that Democrats fail on economic issues due most of them being idealistic Socialists.

lol

You try way too hard, you'd be a much better troll if you were like 20% more subtle.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by peter12

A poll last year put the abortion debate at a dead heat. Drug policy is similar, I bet.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/170249/sp...-pro-life.aspx

The debate is a lot more heated among Americans than most techno-progressives would like to believe.

All the more reason for these issues to be at the forefront of political discourse in the US.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Probably true. However, I would suggest that Republicans are far more beholden to big corporate money.

And I'm not sure what, apart perhaps from major trade barriers, either party could do about the devaluing of labour in the United States. I certainly haven't heard many credible proposals from Republicans on that front.

The Koch brothers are delusional.

Well, a bipartisan group of senators essentially stopped amnesty to illegals, and also put substantial holds on increasing immigrants to the United States as both of these things would have substantially devalued native labour.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Makarov

All the more reason for these issues to be at the forefront of political discourse in the US.

And they are, but what if the answers are not answers that you like? That is, the fact that half of Americans still remain pro-life is not just excusable by the absolutely low IQ response of "well, lots of Americans are dumb." One can only understand the nature of political debates by being smart enough to open up to the possibility that genuine differences in perspectives on the moral life have nothing to do with "IQ."

[nik-]

They're all beholden to big corporate money.

All of them.

One side just wants to deny basic rights to a subsection of society. I think that makes the choice obvious.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by nik-

They're all beholden to big corporate money.

All of them.

One side just wants to deny basic rights to a subsection of society. I think that makes the choice obvious.

Laughably simple.

[nik-]

Painfully true

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by peter12

Or that the Democracts are basically in the back-pocket of Google, Microsoft, and the rest of the Silicon Valley crowd, and have done nothing to stop the massive devaluing of labour in the United States.

Hahaha. Expert that those companies pay orders of magnitude more than the corporate backers of the Republicans (Koch brothers anyone)

[Vulcan]

For me both parties have sold they USA down the river. It's a matter of holding your nose and voting (if I had a vote) for the lesser of two evils which is the Democrats. I like Bernie Sanders but he won't get the nomination.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by peter12

And they are, but what if the answers are not answers that you like? That is, the fact that half of Americans still remain pro-life is not just excusable by the absolutely low IQ response of "well, lots of Americans are dumb." One can only understand the nature of political debates by being smart enough to open up to the possibility that genuine differences in perspectives on the moral life have nothing to do with "IQ."

I didn't say anything about IQ or the relative stupidity of Americans.

I would however note that there is a reason why most western liberal democracies (including Canada and the US) are designed so that some of these political debates (particularly the ones affecting basic rights of minorities or otherwise politically disempowered groups) are settled in the courts rather than the ballot box.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by peter12

Well, a bipartisan group of senators essentially stopped amnesty to illegals, and also put substantial holds on increasing immigrants to the United States as both of these things would have substantially devalued native labour.

You seem to take for granted a causal connection between immigration and depressed wages. There may be, but I am not convinced. I have read studies suggesting that immigration has almost no impact on wages (because demand created by immigrants effectively cancels out any increase in labour supply created by immigrants.) I have also read a study that concludes that only the lowest wage earners are affected by immigration.

Anyway, its a complex issue with no magic solutions.

[Coach]

Id like to see Elizabeth Warren.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Id like to see Elizabeth Warren.

I really like Elizabeth Warren. Although, I'll be ok with not watching her get chewed up by the PAC machine.

[Fuzz]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/donald-...165074?cmp=rss

He has gone to the Mexican border to give a speech. Live, here .. .soonish. Might be entertaining....