[Rumour] Giordano Extension. Kypreos: Starting point is $72 million over 8 years

[kn]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Other than the whole possible distraction aspect, is there any rush to get this done in the off-season?

I agree with this. He's still under contract this season. Why not wait and see if he can repeat his "almost-Norris" season before deciding to give him the big money?

[H2SO4(aq)]

Is it typical for players to state a price first? Im legitimately curious because from what I know from negotiation is its usually best to let the other party give you a number first. Take a read from them, let them set the goal posts and go from there.

[FireGilbert]

For comparison in the 05/06 season Jarome Iginla made $7M which was close to the league maximum and 18% of the $39M salary cap. Today that would be a $12.8M salary.

Iginla was the best player in the league at the time but Gio is top 15 and deserves a high salary. Getting him at $9M is starting to look like a steal.

[Tinordi]

Cap hit matters less than term. 3 year deal is what I'd want. If he wants 9 million then pay him 9 million.

[The Voice of Reason]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Cap hit matters less than term. 3 year deal is what I'd want. If he wants 9 million then pay him 9 million.

I caught an interview of his on the Fan 960 earlier this week. Gio talked about how he wants a deal long enough to cover the remainder of his career.

[CGY12]

Love Gio but he is not worth 9 million. I wouldn't go more than 7.5 million.

[ricardodw]

Gio over 60 games was great. Was he better than Wideman over the last 20 plus 11 playoff games?

Wideman was a ppg d-man 19 pts in the last 19 games off the regular season. He was +11 carrying the Flames into the playoffs as the #1 Flame d-man. He was playing 27 minutes a game.

Wideman is 8 months older than Gio.

Is there anyone, anywhere that would think Wideman should be extended for 2 years at 9M? His contract is up in 2017 a year after Gio's. Is Wideman going to get a raise from his 5.25 M in his next contract?

Wideman played with journeyman partner Russell.

Gio played with Brodie. Brodie made Engelland look like a top-4 d-man.

I certainly would be worried about locking in Gio for a franchise type contract based upon such a small body of franchise type play.

[Aarongavey]

If Gio asks for too much we always have Schlemko as a backup plan. Give Schlemko Gio's 9 million spread over 3 years and you don't lose much.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Gio over 60 games was great. Was he better than Wideman over the last 20 plus 11 playoff games?

Yes. Unless you mean to ask how good Gio was during the time he was injured, which is nonsense.

As for comparisons to Wideman, there are two ends of the ice, and Gio is exceptional in both. Wideman can be good in one, with the right players on the ice, since he's more of a finisher than a puck mover or playmaker.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If Gio asks for too much we always have Schlemko as a backup plan. Give Schlemko Gio's 9 million spread over 3 years and you don't lose much.

You just became Cheerios bestest friend haha.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by The Voice of Reason

I caught an interview of his on the Fan 960 earlier this week. Gio talked about how he wants a deal long enough to cover the remainder of his career.

If he wants a retirement contract how can he even entertain the thought of a 9 million average. At least 6-7 years. By the time he's 40 he shouldn't be any higher than 4 million. I wish we could have given him one of the cap circumventing contracts and give him 12 for the first two years then 2-3 into his forties but the rules have changed.

No team can afford to have 9M a year tied up for that long on an aging player.

[codynw]

This deal needs to be front loaded if he wants term. A $9M cap hit when he's 39 years old would be brutal

9, 8, 7, 7, 6, 5

6 years, $42M

[ComixZone]

7 years, 49M, 7M AAV

9M
9M
9M
7M
5M
5M
5M

or

6 years, 46M, 7.67M AAV

9M
9M
8M
7M
7M
6M

...ugh, even in writing those contracts down...I hate the idea of having a 36-37 year old player holding a 7M+ cap-hit, and there are no real comparable players in that age range with that projected cap-hit.

6 Years, 35M? He'd finish playing out the contract as a 38 year old.

8M
8M
6M
5M
4M
4M

5.833M cap-hit.

7 years, 41M? Finishes playing as a 39 year old.

8M
8M
7M
5M
5M
4M
4M

5.857M cap-hit.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yes. Unless you mean to ask how good Gio was during the time he was injured, which is nonsense.

As for comparisons to Wideman, there are two ends of the ice, and Gio is exceptional in both. Wideman can be good in one, with the right players on the ice, since he's more of a finisher than a puck mover or playmaker.

So Wideman... playing on the #1 defensive pairing against the other teams best players, playing every 2nd shift and going +11 at even strength AND getting a ppg in the most important games the Flames played in at least 3 years isn't one of the best 20 game stretches by a Flames D-man ... well basically since MacInnis?

When Gio went down with an injury I definitely thought the Flames were done and would be getting a #6-7 draft pick.


If somehow Wideman and Russell were able to play at the same level they did that last 20 games and Brodie and Gio play like they did the first 60 then the Flames will be looking at home ice advantage the first round of the playoffs.....

A lot of ifs.

[VladtheImpaler]

I fail to see how having a $7M+ cap hit for a 39/40 year-old is in the best interest of the team. Sure, Lidstrom, but he was a freak, played no-contact hockey, and, I believe, ever only had one injury. If you notice, Keith also plays very much non-contact hockey, which allows him to play 30 minutes per game, and will likely extend his career. I think Brodie is in the same mold, playing a fluid, non-physical game, which will hopefully allow him to play many minutes for many years. Gio, unfortunately (from this perspective), plays a much tougher game, and has been hurt often, so I really worry about his being able to sustain long-term. I think he is great, but he has one more season until this extension kicks in. Anything that takes him beyond 36 (and that is a stretch only because of leadership qualities) worries me. If he wants the contract to go to retirement (40? 7 years), he has to accept a cap hit around 5. If he wants big money, do what Lidstrom did and keep signing short deals. You are 37 and still in Norris conversation? Great - here is a 1 year deal for $10M! That's the only way this is fair to both sides. Thoughts?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by codynw

This deal needs to be front loaded if he wants term. A $9M cap hit when he's 39 years old would be brutal

9, 8, 7, 7, 6, 5

6 years, $42M

He wouldn't take that, you'd have to add a at least half a million each year.

6 years, $45 million

9.5, 8.5, 7.5, 7.5, 6.5, 5.5

Flames need to lock this up now. If he actually wins the Norris next season, he'll test free agency.

Players play longer now.

[cannon7]

I don't sign him to an extension until the season has started and he shows no ill effects from the pectoral tear. I'm reasonably confident he'll bounce back, but if that injury hurts his shot then the contract demands need to come down. Would like to see Gio retire as a Flame, just want to make sure the contract doesn't hurt the team long-term.

[cannon7]

Isn't Schlemko a UFA?

[CaptainCrunch]

There's absolutely no rush to get this done over the summer unless Winters puts in a self imposed deadline that they won't talk extension during the season, and I don't see that happening, Gio is a high character guy.

I think we're tilting at windmills, even if this is true, and we don't know that, its the opening position. Gio and Winter's are smart enough to know that there's going to be an exchange of term for dollars if he truly has a desire to stay here for the year.

I don't doubt that he's going to be paid in the upper realm of players in this league, but my gut tells me that its a 8 and 5 deal.

And I don't mind that at all.

if it does come down to a trade, it probably extends the rebuild by a couple of years, but the assets that come back would be formidable.

[Tinordi]

Do not want to be paying a 40 year old $7 million. Considerable risk to the organization in that situation.