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GioforPM · 11-07-2014, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I was thinking Hanowski/Agostino/Knight/Reinhart and adding a 2nd.

Larsson is taking a regular shift and improving. No way they take two really iffy prospects for a NHler.

The writeups on Larsson seem very similar to those about Sven, confidence wise. So it might be a fair trade, and adresses needs on each team. Calgary needs more D depth and NJ needs young fwds. Could Sven learn a lot from a Jagr or Elias? You bet. Could he benefit from passing to Cammalleri?

Imported_Aussie · 11-07-2014, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I was thinking Hanowski/Agostino/Knight/Reinhart and adding a 2nd.

And then that call gets disconnected...

Larsson may not be panning out so far as a top pair D, but he has ability and potential, he is not going to get traded away for AHL depth. Hanowski et al. may top out as middle 6 forwards, but even if Larsson "just" becomes a #4D, he is more valuable. Argubaly even a good bottom pairing D is worth a lot in this market for defencemen. The second would be the big piece of that trade, unless New Jersey is super high on one of these players

Baertschi for Larsson is a classic "change of scenery" trade, could work out well for both players and both teams.
Trading from organizational depth to address a need, moving out a guy who whilst he has been passed on the depth chart, is still a legitimate prospect. It is the only scenario a team in the Flames' stage of a rebuild should consider with a prospect

I would not have a problem if the Flames pulled the trigger on that deal. From the team's perspective, he is behind Gaudreau and you have a guy in Klimchuk who can also grow into that spot, and D is a much bigger need in the prospect pool and the NHL roster right now.

GioforPM · 11-07-2014, 01:52 PM

Further to my post and Aussie's, since NJ is short of D due to injuries, they'd likely need a warm body Dman like Smid as well.

Sven and Smid for Larsson and maybe some sort of pick? Move Larsson into the lineup, or he and Wotherspoon compete.

ForeverFlameFan · 11-07-2014, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

And then that call gets disconnected...

Larsson may not be panning out so far as a top pair D, but he has ability and potential, he is not going to get traded away for AHL depth. Hanowski et al. may top out as middle 6 forwards, but even if Larsson "just" becomes a #4D, he is more valuable. Argubaly even a good bottom pairing D is worth a lot in this market for defencemen. The second would be the big piece of that trade, unless New Jersey is super high on one of these players

Baertschi for Larsson is a classic "change of scenery" trade, could work out well for both players and both teams.
Trading from organizational depth to address a need, moving out a guy who whilst he has been passed on the depth chart, is still a legitimate prospect. It is the only scenario a team in the Flames' stage of a rebuild should consider with a prospect

I would not have a problem if the Flames pulled the trigger on that deal. From the team's perspective, he is behind Gaudreau and you have a guy in Klimchuk who can also grow into that spot, and D is a much bigger need in the prospect pool and the NHL roster right now.

It's obviously a pipe dream to offer a lesser prospect than Baertschi for Larsson.

Poe969 · 11-07-2014, 02:19 PM

Just a side note here but how often do these come out? you'd think these were daily but maybe Friedman doesn't have 30 thoughts per day...

Just a slow day for hockey news.

GioforPM · 11-07-2014, 02:19 PM

On the HFOilers' board they are always wanting a top Dman for their scrubs.

GioforPM · 11-07-2014, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

Just a side note here but how often do these come out? you'd think these were daily but maybe Friedman doesn't have 30 thoughts per day...

Just a slow day for hockey news.

He does it weekly.

Poe969 · 11-07-2014, 02:23 PM

That sucks. No news is bad news!

nik- · 11-07-2014, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Further to my post and Aussie's, since NJ is short of D due to injuries, they'd likely need a warm body Dman like Smid as well.

Sven and Smid for Larsson and maybe some sort of pick? Move Larsson into the lineup, or he and Wotherspoon compete.

I don't think they compete. They're not really the same kind of D-man and might actually be a good tandem.

Phanuthier · 11-07-2014, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

It's obviously a pipe dream to offer a lesser prospect than Baertschi for Larsson.

I actually thought it might take Baertschi+2nd+Hanowski/Agostino/Knight/Reinhart for Larsson, and I would still do that trade.

GioforPM · 11-07-2014, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I actually thought it might take Baertschi+2nd+Hanowski/Agostino/Knight/Reinhart for Larsson, and I would still do that trade.

It's a decent trade. But I think NJ needs a Dman to play some shifts.

GioforPM · 11-07-2014, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

I don't think they compete. They're not really the same kind of D-man and might actually be a good tandem.

Even better. I thought they were similar, but I don't know his game that well.

nik- · 11-07-2014, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I actually thought it might take Baertschi+2nd+Hanowski/Agostino/Knight/Reinhart for Larsson, and I would still do that trade.

That second makes it too much, I'd balk at a 3rd in a deal like that. Baertschi plus any of those not named Reinhart should be enough. If it's not, just move on from the deal.

GioforPM · 11-07-2014, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

That second makes it too much, I'd balk at a 3rd in a deal like that. Baertschi plus any of those not named Reinhart should be enough. If it's not, just move on from the deal.

Chances aer hanowski/Knight/Agostino are career AHLers. So you need more than that I think. Skilled wingers with confidence issues are probably less valuable than skilled d-men with confidence issues. Especially in the dman market these days. Plus Larsson's stock is rising according to recent stories.

Calgary's got draft picks to spend, and they need defence depth desperately.

heep223 · 11-07-2014, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

You keep using these memes, but I don't think they work like you think they work.

I like them. They add a bit of colour to this mostly speculative, redundant Sven debate that I have to sift through to get to other topics.

heep223 · 11-07-2014, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sven and Smid for Larsson and maybe some sort of pick

Assuming Wotherspoon is ready to step into a 3rd pairing role (ie. the hole left by Smid), this makes a lot of sense and work for both sides. Maybe a late round pick but I might even do that straight up.

Regardless of your opinion on Sven, as another poster pointed out we are so thin at D prospect that losing Sven (even if he turns out to be an NHLer) and adding a good young D man is a win. We have great forward depth now, we can afford to lose Sven if it nets us a return like this.

GioforPM · 11-07-2014, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by heep223

Assuming Wotherspoon is ready to step into a 3rd pairing role (ie. the hole left by Smid), this makes a lot of sense and work for both sides. Maybe a late round pick but I might even do that straight up.

Regardless of your opinion on Sven, as another poster pointed out we are so thin at D prospect that losing Sven (even if he turns out to be an NHLer) and adding a good young D man is a win. We have great forward depth now, we can afford to lose Sven if it nets us a return like this.

And it's hard to argue that we've given up on Sven when trading for a 4th overall pick which Larsson was IIRC.