Jian Ghomeshi no longer with CBC

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I think the point he is actually making is how external and work pressures actually make it very hard for women to complain even when they have every right to do so. That's part of the broader problem.
I certainly have known women who have been victims of sexual harassment at work and have chosen not to file a complaint because they don't want it to impact their career. It is a sad reality of the modern work environment.

Originally Posted by Thor

Unless I read that wrong, he's saying the fact this young woman complained speaks to how serious it must have been, because typically a man of authority and stature within the CBC means most women would have been hesitant to say anything for fear of harming their career. Its a sad fact in our world, where women are taken advantage of by men in power. (Yes I know this happens in the reverse too..)

If that's the case, then I misinterpreted the post I was responding to. I thought he was dismissing the complaint and implying that the Star's story of alleged workplace harassment must be fabricated because nobody in her position would complain, so therefore it didn't happen.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

From the Star:

Maybe not a formal complaint per any CBA, but she did complain.

Thanks. Memory was foggy, all I remembered was this:

In his Facebook posting, Ghomeshi stated there have been no complaints about him to the CBC human resources department, nor have there been any “formal allegations” or “formal complaints” about his behaviour.

Obviously not the best source for that information.

[Chill Cosby]

It's interesting that the Star admits it wouldn't have posted the allegations had Ghomeshi not posted that Facebook message, citing a lack of evidence of any of the allegations and all of the women's refusal to be identified or go to the police as conditions below the Star's "standards of accuracy and fairness."

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/...legations.html

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Chill Cosby

It's interesting that the Star admits it wouldn't have posted the allegations had Ghomeshi not posted that Facebook message, citing a lack of evidence of any of the allegations and all of the women's refusal to be identified or go to the police as conditions below the Star's "standards of accuracy and fairness."

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/...legations.html

Interesting. So his damage control Facebook message may have backfired and the allegations made in that Star article might never have been printed had he not wrote that post.

[Grimbl420]

Originally Posted by Chill Cosby

It's interesting that the Star admits it wouldn't have posted the allegations had Ghomeshi not posted that Facebook message, citing a lack of evidence of any of the allegations and all of the women's refusal to be identified or go to the police as conditions below the Star's "standards of accuracy and fairness."

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/...legations.html

From the Article

The reason The Star did not publish a story at that time was because there was no proof the women’s allegations of non-consensual abusive sex were true or false. They were so explosive that to print them would have been irresponsible, and would have fallen far short of the Star’s standards of accuracy and fairness.

There still is no proof. Them printing it, is not proof.

They need the alleged victims to come forward or this is all just hot air.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Jian may have avoided all of this had he just gone with CBC's original "our relationship has ended" story. However, he hired a PR firm who likely did more damage than damage control.

I hope now that charges will be laid against Ghomeshi he can answer to a real court rather than just the court of public opinion.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

From the Article



There still is no proof. Them printing it, is not proof.

They need the alleged victims to come forward or this is all just hot air.

There's no proof, but it still implies that it was about a lot more than one jilted ex girlfriend that he liked to choke. Which is contrary to what he states in his attempt to get in front of it.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

I hope now that charges will be laid against Ghomeshi he can answer to a real court rather than just the court of public opinion.

I had no idea police already completed their investigation and think he's possibly guilty.

[Grimbl420]

Originally Posted by nik-

There's no proof, but it still implies that it was about a lot more than one jilted ex girlfriend that he liked to choke. Which is contrary to what he states in his attempt to get in front of it.

The point is they still printed it without proof. They decided to not hold themselves to that high standard of accuracy and fairness.

Until we have an actual victim I'll have to take Jian's side on this.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

I had no idea police already completed their investigation and think he's possibly guilty.

Fair enough. Let me re-phrase that..."I hope that a criminal investigation begins with co-operation from the alleged victims so that Ghomeshi can face the criminal justice system rather than face the court of public opinion."

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

The point is they still printed it without proof. They decided to not hold themselves to that high standard of accuracy and fairness.

Until we have an actual victim I'll have to take Jian's side on this.

They printed what the allegations were and clearly stated there was no proof. In light of the firing and his public statement I don't think there's a problem with them shining some light on potential information that may have been at the root of CBC's decision.

If these people actually came forward and he's trying to paint this as "CBC fired me because they're prudes" then he played with fire.

Part of the reason I'm fine with it is because I can't see a major corporation firing a very public figure without really vetting the situation legally. There's no way he gets fired for something as little as he's kinky and likes BDSM. It just wouldn't happen. Which is why I can easily buy something darker being under the surface.

[nik-]

On a related/unrelated note. God did Moxy Fruvous ever suck.

[Grimbl420]

Originally Posted by nik-

They printed what the allegations were and clearly stated there was no proof. In light of the firing and his public statement I don't think there's a problem with them shining some light on potential information that may have been at the root of CBC's decision.

If these people actually came forward and he's trying to paint this as "CBC fired me because they're prudes" then he played with fire.

Part of the reason I'm fine with it is because I can't see a major corporation firing a very public figure without really vetting the situation legally. There's no way he gets fired for something as little as he's kinky and likes BDSM. It just wouldn't happen. Which is why I can easily buy something darker being under the surface.

Alternatively, if these victims don't come forward The Star has just opened themselves up to legal case against them.

I'm still waiting for all of the facts, not just hearsay and rumours. I'll be the first to condemn Jian once there is actual proof against him, but right now there is none.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

Alternatively, if these victims don't come forward The Star has just opened themselves up to legal case against them.

I'm still waiting for all of the facts, not just hearsay and rumours. I'll be the first to condemn Jian once there is actual proof against him, but right now there is none.

No they haven't because they clearly stated that these were allegations without proof.

[Grimbl420]

Originally Posted by nik-

No they haven't because they clearly stated that these were allegations without proof.

allegations meant to defame.

[pseudoreality]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Ugh, I certainly hope that's not what happened.

I'm sure that's what happened. Then after things surfaced about multiple women complaining about sexual violence they finally decided to cut him loose.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

allegations meant to defame.

Allegations they were investigating and claimed as being found to have no proof yet. He put his sexual practices out there to try and get into the victim role and the Star announced what they had been investigating.

I get that people might think it's shady, that's fine and I understand that. But they did nothing legally wrong.

[J pold]

Like I said earlier in the thread I am not a fan of Ghomeshi’s. He’s always come off as egotistical and self-absorbed to me. He does have some interview talent but his essays and general opinions are so conceited it’s almost nauseating. I am not surprised by the allegations and not surprised by his self-serving diatribe, and over the top lawsuit yesterday. I hope we learn more and if there are grounds from criminal action that it is are carried out and he gets what’s coming to him.

It’s always bothered me that when big names come up to Canada it's generally Ghomeshi they encounter to represent our country and its public broadcaster. Here’s to hoping that Terry O’Reilly is the new host of Q.

[troutman]

Surprised to see so many women on Facebook defending him, and doubting the allegations of the three women in the Toronto Star story. Or, they haven't seen that story yet?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by troutman

Surprised to see so many women on Facebook defending him, and doubting the allegations of the three women in the Toronto Star story. Or, they haven't seen that story yet?

Chris Brown beat the #### out of Rihanna and it was a slam dunk case and a bunch of women ran to his defence. Some people are just messed up.