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View Poll Results: Pick the best prospect from the following list
Agostino 0 0%
Arnold 1 0.26%
Baertschi 221 58.47%
Billins 0 0%
Carroll 0 0%
Culkin 0 0%
Cundari 0 0%
Deblouw 0 0%
Elson 0 0%
Ferland 0 0%
Gillies 3 0.79%
Gilmour 0 0%
Granlund 31 8.20%
Hanowski 0 0%
Harrison 0 0%
Hickey 0 0%
Jankowski 0 0%
Jooris 0 0%
Kanzig 0 0%
Klimchuk 6 1.59%
Knight 0 0%
Kulak 0 0%
McDonald 0 0%
Ollas Mattson 0 0%
Ortio 2 0.53%
Poirier 100 26.46%
Rafikov 0 0%
Ramage 0 0%
Reinhart 4 1.06%
Roy 0 0%
Sieloff 2 0.53%
Smith 0 0%
Van Brabant 0 0%
Wolf 0 0%
Wotherspoon 8 2.12%
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Old 07-16-2014, 11:27 AM   #201
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I think Baertschi got in trouble last year because of simple defensive reads. I think Hartley has shown he has patience for thinking players that make mistakes but not players that won't learn and build on the structures he's trying to put in place.

His gaffs weren't just rookie mistakes they were failure to play within a system mistakes which would drive NHL coaches batty.

If he does his time in the video room, gets the system and positioning down, his talent will rise to the top and he'll be a solid NHL hockey player. If he freelances defensively he won't.

His call.

I believe the straw that broke the camel's back last season was a backcheck where he followed a player in instead of breaking for the second man on a backchecked two on one.

Tap in goal.

He had the speed to catch both players.
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Old 07-16-2014, 12:42 PM   #202
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There is a chance that players peak past their projected ceiling, but on the flipside, most prospects will never live up to their projected "ceiling" at all. The ceiling tends to be optimistic if anything.

I suspect most of the people that voted for Gaudreau in the first round were going exclusively on projected ceiling as there are still some serious question marks about how he will fit into the NHL.
IMO every player in the system has top-line potential ceiling. As you say, a ceiling is an optimistic projection and, optimistically, every player has the chance to go as far as they are willing to work and learn.

I won't presume why others have Gaudreau number 1. I personally have him number 1 because I think he is going to be the Flames best player from this list when all is said and done (let's say in 5 years). Not because he is currently the most talented or skilled prospect. I look at it like "who will have the most important impact on the upward progression of the team?" understanding that "important impact" does not equate to most points, most games played or anything like that. But many people do vote that way, which is probabyl why you wont see a defenseman or goalie win one until probably the 6-10 spot.

But if you want to believe in a great trend upward for the Flames, a goalie will have to have a large impact on the team, and we have 2 great goalie prospects right now. Just because I believe Ortio will have a larger impact on future team success than Baertschi, doesn't mean I don't beleive Baertschi will. This is the #3 spot, not the #10 spot. And have Baertschi slip to 4 or 5 in some peoples minds is not reflective of a poor opinion of Baertschi, its a just as high opinion of other players. Players we didn't know much about a year ago, or at least I didn't. Players that have seen great progression. Players that have different attitudes and outlooks that can certainly change how you feel about their chances going forward.

for example: One of the first interviews with Poirier, he was almost crying about how proud he was to be a part of the team and how he "would do anything to play for this logo". That type of attitude alone can launch him ahead of a few people, if you believe that an attitude like that is a precurser to personal and team success.

DISCLAIMER** this is not an indication of Sven having a poor attitude, merely a recognition of Poirier.
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I'm not the world's most prolific NCAA watcher, but didn't Gillies have a rough WJC followed by a refocus and a solid playoff showing?

That's certainly different than Baertschi's season.
He had one great game and one average game in the tournament, but I think I'm more comfortable with improving as the season progresses like Sven did than the inverse.
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