Summer 2014 Prospect Ranking Poll Rd1

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Obviously I voted for JG, but in terms of Bennett versus Poirer, both are feisty goal scorers who play a big game, only Bennett is more of a play maker but Poirer is a bigger skater and is closer to being in the NHL. I think at this point both have similar ceilings.

I give the edge to Poirer because he's a right wing

I like Poirier as well, but his ceiling isnt even in the same building as Bennetts.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by RyZ

I like Poirier as well, but his ceiling isnt even in the same building as Bennetts.

Tough to say really. Poirier was an elite player this season. How are you determining what each players ceiling is? Criteria?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by RyZ

I like Poirier as well, but his ceiling isnt even in the same building as Bennetts.

Yeah. While I consider Poirier the Flames 3rd best prospect it's because of his overall package of size speed, grit but I don't think he's as offensively gifted a player as Bennett or Baertschi. He's going to be a solid winger for whichever center he lines up with.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

That would be moronic. Not the bet, but having him on the roster in the NHL this season.

What of he plays his way on?

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

What of he plays his way on?

If a 20 year old kid, who is mildly injury prone, and is coming off of a life threatening condition, that has missed 10 month of hockey after having only played a handful of games in the AHL after having only played 1/2 season in the CHL, plays his way into this team, then Connor Mcdavid is without a doubt a Calgary Flame this time next year.

[Read Only]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

I'd bet Sieloff is in the opening night lineup this year.

Out of curiosity what is this based on?

He had an okay not outstanding 45 games in the OHL two years ago, an okay not outstanding WJHC two years ago and basically lost all of last season.

From his draft year only 9 defencemen total have played a game, only 6 of them played regularly so it isn't all that common and it's early for a guy his age.

You also have to think that the 6 vets are ahead of him plus at least Wotherspoon.

After basically missing a year of hockey tough for anyone to go right to NHL.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Tough to say really. Poirier was an elite player this season. How are you determining what each players ceiling is? Criteria?

Past performance and where they were relative to each other when they were the same age. What is your criteria for thinking that their ceilings are close?

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by RyZ

Past performance and where they were relative to each other when they were the same age. What is your criteria for thinking that their ceilings are close?

I'm not saying one or the other is going to be better. I agree in part with you, in that I think Bennett is a very good prospect and probably better in the long run over Porier, given how young Bennett is and his success in the CHL. But not even in the same building? That would make me think you believe Bennett to be a superstar in the making. And that I just don't agree with. Unless you think Poirier is a career AHLer. Then I guess I still disagree with you.

[cral12]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Bennett over Gaudreau.


While Gaudreau was the more impressive player at development camp, and looks closer to being NHL-ready, he is also 3 years older than Sam. Imagine how good Bennett would look at our development camp if he were to attend it 3 years from now (I don't see that happening).

Almost went with Bennett for the same reasoning, but Johnny Hockey has won me over as well. I'm normally all about potential and projections and really hopeful that Bennett exceeds Gaudreau. Really close call. Great argument to have as Flames faithful...

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I do. Ekblad almost certainly would go before Nurse, and probably no later than six. Then the three centres, Reinhart, Bennett, and Draisaitl are right there in the same conversation with Monahan, Lindholm, and possibly Drouin. If you added all of the top-four to last year's draft, then I think there is a lot of movement that would affect almost every pick outside of MacKinnon and Barkov.

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree. The only thing I can say is that I will be shocked if any of this year's draft class plays in the NHL this season (with the exception of Edmonton of course, because they are no good). Ekblad may be the closest, but I don't think he is ready for NHL forwards and that will be exposed in training camp and any audition games he gets. We can come back to this at the end of October and see how many from this class stick, but I suspect it will be next to none, proving this class was indeed substandard to the last one.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by New Era

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree. The only thing I can say is that I will be shocked if any of this year's draft class plays in the NHL this season (with the exception of Edmonton of course, because they are no good). Ekblad may be the closest, but I don't think he is ready for NHL forwards and that will be exposed in training camp and any audition games he gets. We can come back to this at the end of October and see how many from this class stick, but I suspect it will be next to none, proving this class was indeed substandard to the last one.

Or merely proving that circumstances are different. Anything else and you're really reaching.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by New Era

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree. The only thing I can say is that I will be shocked if any of this year's draft class plays in the NHL this season (with the exception of Edmonton of course, because they are no good). Ekblad may be the closest, but I don't think he is ready for NHL forwards and that will be exposed in training camp and any audition games he gets. We can come back to this at the end of October and see how many from this class stick, but I suspect it will be next to none, proving this class was indeed substandard to the last one.

I'll be surprised if the first three picks and probably one more don't make the NHL this season.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Or merely proving that circumstances are different. Anything else and you're really reaching.

Or maybe you're are missing the obvious? In the years leading up to this draft it was well regarded as a poor draft year, especially in comparison to last. But as this draft came closer the hype continued to build to where it appeared there were four franchise level players available, when in fact there were none predicted the year prior. Are the top four good prospects? Yes. Are they franchise level players? No. Not based on the information before the hype wagon kicked into hyper-drive. Anyone expecting a franchise level player from this draft is likely in for a big disappointment, and that was from the credible hockey sources who do not establish their reputation by building hype over draft picks. I think expectations are set way too high, because of the hype, and we should wait and see what these kids do from this point on.

[The Professor]

Is it time for round two yet?

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by New Era

Or maybe you're are missing the obvious? In the years leading up to this draft it was well regarded as a poor draft year, especially in comparison to last. But as this draft came closer the hype continued to build to where it appeared there were four franchise level players available, when in fact there were none predicted the year prior. Are the top four good prospects? Yes. Are they franchise level players? No. Not based on the information before the hype wagon kicked into hyper-drive. Anyone expecting a franchise level player from this draft is likely in for a big disappointment, and that was from the credible hockey sources who do not establish their reputation by building hype over draft picks. I think expectations are set way too high, because of the hype, and we should wait and see what these kids do from this point on.

What's obvious is you don't make any qualitative judgement in October. Whether this year compares as you say to last year is irrelevant.

I just think it's inane to draw the conclusion you seem willing to draw if after one month no one from this year is playing in the NHL yet. All that says is this years class did not progress as fast.

Your opinion may be right, but seems premature to claim proof.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I love the only person that voted Kanzig haha.

[Goodlad]

Weird, I don't remember anyone saying these were going to be franchise players.

[_Q_]

So can we do round two yet?

[rollie619]

I voted Gaudreau over Bennett for the same reason that I would've voted Sven over Monahan last year. When an 18 year old comes out of junior you don't know how good he is ouer will be unless he's a generational talent. Ideally you would judge your prospect base off ceiling, but that can be hard to do when comparing an 18 year old to one who's 21. Brodie for example has surpassed his drafted ceiling where as Neimez didn't even reach his "floor." So when it is as close as it is between Johnny and Sam, you have to go based on what one has proven so far and the winner is Johnny. If it wasn't as close of a debate of ceilings, that's when you can judge off potential.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by The Professor

Is it time for round two yet?

The real fun starts at 3, as 2 will be pretty automatic as well.