So yeah.. We need to make a change, what should it be?

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

Before Feaster got fired everything looked to slowly be happening for this squad. Ward would have been a perfect fit to coach under the makeup that Feaster was developing for his team.

Make no mistake, the hiring of Fetrok and Conroy being sent to Abbotsford was not a coincidence. If anything, Ward may extend his tenure because Burke is here, but that remains to be seen.

With Burke, I don't know what happens. You likely swap out one dinosaur for another in an attempt to get "tougher to play against."

So far Burke "tougher to play against" mentality has simply been "tougher to watch".

Seriously?

He hasn't done anything yet. Unless you somehow consider getting Westgarth as "putting his mark on the team".

This is the team Feaster built and these are the same results that would have happened whether Feaster was with the team or not. For someone to try and put any sort of responsibility on Burke is silly.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

I'm actually shocked at how many people think 6 shutout losses in 11 games is acceptable and just "part of the rebuild".

The Flames have never ever suffered through anything as embarrassing as this.

You don't get it. We're building something special. Our GM knows a thing or two about winning, and in a few months with a little luck you can plan the draft day parade. In a few years half the league will be happy to trade rosters with the flames.

[La Flames Fan]

[Locke]

Its a shame we didnt beat the Oilers to Messier, I understand that he knows a thing or two about winning...

[Badgers Nose]

I don't remember the Flames ever doing this before, so I am surprised by all the experts who think it should go faster or slower. On what do you base that?

As a fan, I find this very interesting. Nothing else to do than watch Burke and his helper do their thing.

Not sure an attitude correction has a lot to do with the rebuild. Just as it was dumb to can Feaster without a replacement, it would be dumb to can Hartley right now.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

I only see Hudler and Wideman as being desirable for other teams.. the rest of the team is garbage - at least those are the only two guys who The Flames have that i'd want on the Coyotes.

Giordano and Monahan not included

#### the Coyotes and their garbage system and flukey goals.

Ekman Larsson and Smith are the only two on the Coyotes that I'd deem remotely desirable. Rest of the team are a bunch of overachievers under Tippett's bullcrap that wouldn't do anything anywhere else. So stick that up your canine hole.

Ahem..

Carry on everyone.

[BurningSteel]

Think of the curve as the natural rebuild and you see our problem.

[Nabber]

What they need to do is stop dressing two goons a game. Our fourth line is a joke with Colborne centering McGrattan and Westgarth. When McGrattan was on the third line recently it was even a bigger joke, what team in the entire league has strictly an enforcer playing on the third line? All this with Bouma in the lineup, who in my mind fills a similar role to those guys.

The goal of management should be to suck as there’s no hope for playoffs this year, while developing players the best they can. Playing Colborne with those guys goes against that IMO. This stretch has to have been brutal training for young players. No scoring, no heart, and losing.

There’s no way there should be a knee jerk action, really who cares about this season. Of course as a fan I want to watch an entertaining product which I was getting at the beginning of the year, I’ve now turned off two games recently and see my motivation to watch games drop but oh well it’s a rebuild.

Call up Reinhart, maybe Granlund, give these guys NHL playing time, dress one goon, and prepare to unload UFAs when the time is right.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

#### the Coyotes and their garbage system and flukey goals.

Ekman Larsson and Smith are the only two on the Coyotes that I'd deem remotely desirable. Rest of the team are a bunch of overachievers under Tippett's bullcrap that wouldn't do anything anywhere else. So stick that up your canine hole.

Ahem..

Carry on everyone.

I'd kill to have Boedker on the Flames. Korpikoski as well.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

I'm actually shocked at how many people think 6 shutout losses in 11 games is acceptable and just "part of the rebuild".

The Flames have never ever suffered through anything as embarrassing as this.

I read something about the "kiss of death" ie after a GM gives a failing coach a vote of confidence, said coach is generally fired a month or so later. Maybe someone knows where to find this correlation, cuz a quick google left me empty handed. Burke gave his vote of confidence on the 12th of December.

I suspect that Hartley won't make it through the season, out of respect for the fans and ticket holders.

Before Feaster got fired everything looked to slowly be happening for this squad. Ward would have been a perfect fit to coach under the makeup that Feaster was developing for his team.

With Burke, I don't know what happens. You likely swap out one dinosaur for another in an attempt to get "tougher to play against."

So far Burke "tougher to play against" mentality has simply been "tougher to watch".

Virtually any move beyond typical rebuilding moves (i.e. trading the vets) would just be help the team lose better. It sucks to watch your team get tuned all the time... but I have no interest in ruining our next potential good team just to make this one suck a little less.

Everything the Flames do should be with an eye to whenever they think they can compete again.

This team had a few entertaining months and once they start scoring again (and they will... they've got a ridiculously low shooting percentage of late), they'll be entertaining games. Every team goes through slumps and hot streaks, but sadly when your team is terrible the slumps look like this and the hot streaks are winning a few games and losing close ones.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

I'm actually shocked at how many people think 6 shutout losses in 11 games is acceptable and just "part of the rebuild".

The Flames have never ever suffered through anything as embarrassing as this.

oh yes we have....

[habernac]

Josef, it's your fault. They suck every time you visit.

[stemit14]

Trading away the vets that are going to be UFAs does not mean this team will be trying to lose... I think sending out butler and replacing his minutes with Russell will make this team better now and in the future. I think trading stempniak for a 2nd round pick and calling up a player from abbotsford who is on a hot streak will also help this team win right now. I think trading cammalleri for a first round pick and bringing up baertschi to be relied on more will cause him to go on a scoring streak again just like last year when tanguay and glencross were lost to injury for the last few weeks of the season.

I won't be surprised to see this team put on a winning record after the trade deadline... It's pretty common for teams in their position.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by BurningSteel

I would argue that firing Feaster served the same purpose of nothing.

It prevented him from being the one in charge of making trades and signings going forward. So it definitely did something.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

It prevented him from being the one in charge of making trades and signings going forward. So it definitely did something.

That could have been accomplished by just having Burke approve all player personnel decisions.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by New Era

That could have been accomplished by just having Burke approve all player personnel decisions.

I don't think its just Feaster getting a "check box here yes or no if you want to make a trade" ..... Feaster was a crappy at negotiations and/or did not have the respect of the peers (i.e. maybe due to thinking he's smarter then everyone else) and thus the rest of the league doesn't have enough respect for Feaster for him to get max trade value for his players.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I don't think its just Feaster getting a "check box here yes or no if you want to make a trade" ..... Feaster was a crappy at negotiations and/or did not have the respect of the peers (i.e. maybe due to thinking he's smarter then everyone else) and thus the rest of the league doesn't have enough respect for Feaster for him to get max trade value for his players.

That's impossible to say. Unless we have two side-by-side offers to compare to, it's impossible to say that. That's just based on Burke's bluster. Frankly, I think Burke is full of #### and wouldn't have done any better than Feaster given the same scenario for making trades for the Calgary Flames. Teams aren't going to give up more just because they respect Brian Burke.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by Dion

Don't you need to send players down to open a roster space?

Originally Posted by transplant99

Well if you want young guys up you have to create room on the roster for those you want young guys to replace...only 1 way to do that other than trades.

Trade the useless players for whatever picks they can bring back.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by New Era

That's impossible to say. Unless we have two side-by-side offers to compare to, it's impossible to say that. That's just based on Burke's bluster. Frankly, I think Burke is full of #### and wouldn't have done any better than Feaster given the same scenario for making trades for the Calgary Flames. Teams aren't going to give up more just because they respect Brian Burke.

Look at Burke's trade history versus Feaster's... its pretty clear one is much better than the other.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by New Era

That's impossible to say. Unless we have two side-by-side offers to compare to, it's impossible to say that. That's just based on Burke's bluster. Frankly, I think Burke is full of #### and wouldn't have done any better than Feaster given the same scenario for making trades for the Calgary Flames. Teams aren't going to give up more just because they respect Brian Burke.

I think its very possible to say

But if its so impossible to say, then I'm not sure you can say he wouldn't have done any better.