Burke Philosophy VS Feaster Philosophy

[CliffFletcher]

Haven't seen the term Tubby McBlowhard used on this board since Burke was hired. That will probably have to wait until next season, or whenever Burke makes the first trade that disappoints the CP pundits.

[moon]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

By this point in the Feaster era, the fat jokes were flying at a disturbing level. Burke isn't exactly a vision of physical health himself and carries some significant extra weight, but not a fat joke yet? Has CP become more sensitive to physical appearances, or are posters afraid Burke will file a lawsuit against posters?

Burke isn't nearly as big as Feaster was when hired, has a ton more credibility and respectability so people are going to treat him differently and posters who made posts like that were often dealt with by mods so most people likely got the message that isn't going to be tolerated.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

By this point in the Feaster era, the fat jokes were flying at a disturbing level. Burke isn't exactly a vision of physical health himself and carries some significant extra weight, but not a fat joke yet? Has CP become more sensitive to physical appearances, or are posters afraid Burke will file a lawsuit against posters?

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Haven't seen the term Tubby McBlowhard used on this board since Burke was hired. That will probably have to wait until next season, or whenever Burke makes the first trade that disappoints the CP pundits.

To the 2 that are weirdly super sensative to not enough derogatory names used on CP... Tubby McBlowhard was a Reggie Dunlop thing and I haven't seen Reggie post in a while. The Feaster fat jokes were rare, and was only a big deal because so many people chastised the use of it and mod's quickly delt with it.

[Tinordi]

This thread has really wound itself down

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I don't think the Vancouver rebuild was a success at all, and I vehemently disagree with them trading away Bure, for instance.

I think the rebuild was a success in the sense that he helped turned around the franchise financially as well (a higher Loonie helped more than anything). As for trading Bure, to be fair, Bure demanded a trade and was sitting out so trading Bure really wasn't an option.

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

My point was really simply that he did things that many people on here don't think are congruent with how they view Burke managing a team. His lack of patience, for instance, and his apparent eagerness to sell picks for players to win now (some posters are afraid he will trade the 1st round pick this year). Sure, he did so in Toronto, but he did the opposite in Vancouver and made a series of complicated trades in order to draft the Sedins (who were not seen as truculent or physical in any way, but just pure skill and potential).

He has simply done things different in different organizations. Whether that is a product of him being pragmatic at analyzing each particular franchise instead of using a 'one size fits all cookie cutter template', or just him evolving gradually into what he became in his last stint in Toronto remains to be seen. I think it is the former, and that he will analyze this team thoroughly before making any big moves.

I think Burke is less likely to trade a 1st round pick than Feaster, judging from their history. That's not to say Burke doesn't and won't trade away a 1st round pick, but I think he follows Sutter's preference for keeping the team's first round pick, while the rest can be traded away. There's also the fact that there is a difference in value placed on a top 15 and certainly a top 10 pick than a pick between 25-30. Burke made a name for trading up in the draft and he was only able to do that when he held a high pick. When Burke has a high pick he is more likely looking to trade up than trade down.

As for Burke having done things differently, I think I lean towards Burke having evolved. There was a time in Vancouver when Burke didn't even have an enforcer on the team. The whole truculence part came after the Cup win I think. Oh and considering he made the Kessel deal supposedly AFTER analyzing where the Leafs were at, Burke analyzing this team thoroughly before making any big moves is hardly more comforting.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by FAN

I think the rebuild was a success in the sense that he helped turned around the franchise financially as well (a higher Loonie helped more than anything). As for trading Bure, to be fair, Bure demanded a trade and was sitting out so trading Bure really wasn't an option.




I think Burke is less likely to trade a 1st round pick than Feaster, judging from their history. That's not to say Burke doesn't and won't trade away a 1st round pick, but I think he follows Sutter's preference for keeping the team's first round pick, while the rest can be traded away. There's also the fact that there is a difference in value placed on a top 15 and certainly a top 10 pick than a pick between 25-30. Burke made a name for trading up in the draft and he was only able to do that when he held a high pick. When Burke has a high pick he is more likely looking to trade up than trade down.

As for Burke having done things differently, I think I lean towards Burke having evolved. There was a time in Vancouver when Burke didn't even have an enforcer on the team. The whole truculence part came after the Cup win I think. Oh and considering he made the Kessel deal supposedly AFTER analyzing where the Leafs were at, Burke analyzing this team thoroughly before making any big moves is hardly more comforting.

Agreed, I think he is more likely to trade some else's first round pick. In other words the picks of his predecessors. Lucky we don't have many of those, LOL. IMO he will keep picks, to get his stamp on the prospect pool. If the Flames lose the lottery Maybe Sven + pick gets moved so the Flames can get a better pick.

Burke is a smart guy. Just because he made mistakes in Toronto does not mean he will make them here. Still not sure the Kessel trade was a mistake. Only the Oilers were dumb enough to take a winger over centre when everything else was equal. If Boston would have gotten Hall, then TOR wins that trade.

Burke will have fully surrounded himself with people he trusts by this time next year (all levels). I think this team will be way different even by April 2014.

And as for the next draft, I think Button is done as scout (15 years is too long). So it will be interesting to see who the club puts in charge.

I like what he is saying. And I feel better with him in charge than Feaster.

The elite GMs of the league are not coming here, so this is the best we can get. Hopefully Burke's guy becomes the next person to earn the elite GM title.

[XxBIGDOGxX1817]

I think Feaster does a better job identifying value among a variety of players/skills and acting upon that... as apposed to Burke who I believe has the ability to identify value just as good but will not act upon it necesarily as he is rigid and stubborn to the way he wants the team to look in X amount of years... I tend to think that more flexibility in a rebuild is a better idea and can bring you to where you want to be faster... that being said you must adapt as the team improves...

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

To the 2 that are weirdly super sensative to not enough derogatory names used on CP... Tubby McBlowhard was a Reggie Dunlop thing and I haven't seen Reggie post in a while. The Feaster fat jokes were rare, and was only a big deal because so many people chastised the use of it and mod's quickly delt with it.

Also many of the posters that were notorious for those kinds of "jokes" have since been banned from CP (flamesaresmokin comes to mind).

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by FAN

I think the rebuild was a success in the sense that he helped turned around the franchise financially as well (a higher Loonie helped more than anything). As for trading Bure, to be fair, Bure demanded a trade and was sitting out so trading Bure really wasn't an option.

I cannot over emphasise what a desperate state the Nucks were in as an organization when Burke took over, the Keenan Messier years were bizarre and bad on so many levels and Burke brought a level of professionalism and stability to the organization.
I suspect he built the Nucks to win in the 'skills not brawn' era the league always promises but never happens in the playoffs, I think he learnt from that.
That said he built the foundations of a team that has been a playoff contendor for a decade.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by FAN

As for trading Bure, to be fair, Bure demanded a trade and was sitting out so trading Bure really wasn't an option.

To go into this would derail the thread. In short, it is no secret that Bure was one very special player. The Canucks mistreated him in so many ways, and Bure was overly patient I thought. Not sure if Burke being a new GM there could have smoothed things over somewhat or not, or if any attempt was made (and perhaps the owners didn't want him there any longer?). I would have really liked to hear more of the background from Burke as to why the Canucks went ahead with that trade, and if he himself ever tried to mend that relationship.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

To go into this would derail the thread. In short, it is no secret that Bure was one very special player. The Canucks mistreated him in so many ways, and Bure was overly patient I thought. Not sure if Burke being a new GM there could have smoothed things over somewhat or not, or if any attempt was made (and perhaps the owners didn't want him there any longer?). I would have really liked to hear more of the background from Burke as to why the Canucks went ahead with that trade, and if he himself ever tried to mend that relationship.

Sure but regardless, you can't fault Burke for trading Bure. He traded a holdout.