Sidney Crosby Appreciation Thread

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Whoa, don't say that or the old guys will go off their meds and start ranting again.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Maybe I'm missing something here. My reference shows that goals per game per team was 3.14 in 1995-96. That's not in the dead puck era of low goal scoring. If you're saying that Lemieux scored all these point totals in 95-96 as a slight against Crosby then you're argument does not make sense. Because goals per game per team and lower now than in that season which was 2.74 last season.

Put in context, that's 6.28 goals per game to 5.28. That's a goal a game higher than what Crosby is playing in right now.

Over 82 games assuming say 2.7 points awarded per goal that's an additional 110 points awarded per team in 95-96 as opposed to now.

I called 1996 part of the Dead Puck Era because it was part of the Dead Puck Era. It's not an exact science, but far more people believe it started prior to 1996 than after it, thanks in large part to Lemaire and the Devils winning the Cup in 1995 playing the trap. I've tried to be pretty careful to say that 1996 was comparable to 2006 in goal scoring, it was, it's fact. It's not a slight against Crosby, it's an argument to the "Lemieux couldn't beat today's goalies and never would put up points in today's low scoring league" he beat the best goalies in the world in 1996, in the very defensive systems of Lemaire and Bowman. He put up 161 points in 70 games, after he had missed the entire previous season because of back surgery and defeating Hodgkin's a bit before that. He was well past his prime, yet he was still putting up points that I feel many people believe he only put up in the 80s. An in his prime Lemieux would have put up crazy numbers in any era. If you want to claim there's a new Dead Puck Era, that's more than fair, still Crosby's best season came when scoring was up in 2007 thanks to concussions.

Okay sure, so maybe a 190 points pace in 1996 would only be about 175 points in 2014, still would make him the best player in the world by a large margin. And if 1996 competition was so easy, look back at who I listed, look at those rosters, look at the style of play that was becoming the normal, calling players from 1996 weak compared today is an insult to all the greats like Sakic, Hasek, Bourque and Lidstrom.

[Tinordi]

Ok and I showed that in 1996 wasn't the dead puck era using data on scoring which was higher then than it is now instead of some proclamation picked out of thin air.

And I never called anyone weak. I have great admiration for the history of the game and its players.

I just took issue was a factually incorrect argument than Lemieux was playing in a lower scoring time than Crosby.

[19Yzerman19]

The point here is that other than Gretzky and Lemieux, when in the last 30 years was it so obvious who the best player in the world was? I mean you had years of maybe Jagr, maybe Forsberg, maybe Sakic, maybe Pronger, maybe Hasek, maybe Roy... etc. There's just no question right now, there's no debate. There are some fantastic hockey players in the NHL right now and then there's Sid, in a league of his own.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Ok and I showed that in 1996 wasn't the dead puck era using data on scoring which was higher then than it is now instead of some proclamation picked out of thin air.

And I never called anyone weak. I have great admiration for the history of the game and its players.

I just took issue was a factually incorrect argument than Lemieux was playing in a lower scoring time than Crosby.

Just look online. Dead Puck Era was an era that is usually defined between the lockouts.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictio...-puck-era.aspx

I never once said 1996 was the absolute lowest goal scoring season. But as far as the most commonly held belief of when the Dead Puck Era existed, it was in it....

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Just look online. Dead Puck Era was an era that is usually defined between the lockouts.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictio...-puck-era.aspx

I never once said 1996 was the absolute lowest goal scoring season. But as far as the most commonly held belief of when the Dead Puck Era existed, it was in it....

Then the "dead puck era" is a meaningless term if it isn't consistent with actual outcomes in scoring.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Greatest Top 10 Sports Stars Ever

Mohammad Ali (boxing)
Michael Jordan (basketball)
Michael Phelps (swimming)
Pele (soccer)
Usain Bolt (track and field)
Wayne Gretzky (hockey)
Babe Ruth (baseball)
Carl Lewis (track and field)
Michael Schumacher (auto racing)
Martina Navratilova (tennis)

The above are people who utterly dominated their field of sport for many years.

Does Wayne Gretzky deserve to be included with the above elite stars? Yes he does.

Does Sidney Crosby deserve to be included? Right now, no he doesn't.

/nuff said. Done.

You do a list and don't include Bo Jackson?

[troutman]

Wayne married Janet Jones. Does Sidney still live in Mario's basement?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Joborule

You do a list and don't include Bo Jackson?

Bo Jackson was a great athlete, probably the best pure athlete ever, but he was never the best player in the sport he played.

[Rerun]

Well, thank you everybody. You've all helped me get through an extremely dull and boring day at work.

Talk to you tomorrow if tomorrow is as bad as today was.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by SixtySix

If your only reason is that it's 2 different NHLs, what is to stop someone from asking if guys like Stamkos or Ovechkin or Giroux would outplay Gretzky in the 80s? I agree that it isn't fair to make direct comparisons between players from different eras but it's not like it's impossible to state when one player is above another player. Is Peter Statsny better than Chris Butler? It's a hyperbole but the point is it's still possible to distinguish how great players are/were even if they're from different times. There is a reason that Gretzky/Lemieux/Orr are identified as the greatest players to ever play.

Crosby is this generation's Gretzky but he's not as good as Gretzky.

If you look in my post, I specifically say he's not better than Gretzky (or as good). Also, my only reason wasn't it being two different NHL's.

Crosby is the best player in the world, he would be better in the 80's than any current NHLer would be in the 80's.

Is he BETTER than Gretzky? Absolutely not, I've never said that. Would he be better than Gretzky if he played in the 80's? Would Gretzky be better than Crosby in todays world? Again, no one will ever know. You can't compare the two hockey players

[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Hell, if Crosby had been born in 1961 he probably wouldn't have even played in the NHL. He'd probably be out in his dory fishing in Cole Harbour Nfld. trying to make a buck to feed his family.

Cole Harbour is in NS not Newfoundland. He'd probably have played in the NHL since his dad was born in that era and he made it to the Habs training camp.

[vilzeh]

Originally Posted by WilderPegasus

Cole Harbour is in NS not Newfoundland. He'd probably have played in the NHL since his dad was born in that era and he made it to the Habs training camp.

I kinda like the fact that he only said Crosby wouldn't be playing if he was born 1961 and stuff, but nothing about Gretzky playing if he was born 1987, like it was a given he would have played.

[strombad]

Came back to see Rerun question my age a few more times, talk down to some youngins', and see transplant clumsily claim that Orr doesn't hold a candle to Gretzky.

Leaving EXTRA satisfied.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-conte...10/pleased.gif

[polak]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Greatest Top 10 Sports Stars Ever

Mohammad Ali (boxing)
Michael Jordan (basketball)
Michael Phelps (swimming)
Pele (soccer)
Usain Bolt (track and field)
Wayne Gretzky (hockey)
Babe Ruth (baseball)
Carl Lewis (track and field)
Michael Schumacher (auto racing)
Martina Navratilova (tennis)

The above are people who utterly dominated their field of sport for many years.

Does Wayne Gretzky deserve to be included with the above elite stars? Yes he does.

Does Sidney Crosby deserve to be included? Right now, no he doesn't.

/nuff said. Done.

Vettel will pass Schumacher and Roger Federer should probably be on your list. Same with Tiger Woods.

[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by polak

Vettel will pass Schumacher and Roger Federer should probably be on your list. Same with Tiger Woods.

Car racing and golf aren't sports.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Whoa, don't say that or the old guys will go off their meds and start ranting again.

Originally Posted by Rerun

Originally Posted by Clint

Rant... I'll show you a rant, when i kick you off my lawwwnnn punk. Get away from the eggs!!!!

lol

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by strombad

Came back to see Rerun question my age a few more times, talk down to some youngins', and see transplant clumsily claim that Orr doesn't hold a candle to Gretzky.

Leaving EXTRA satisfied.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-conte...10/pleased.gif

You really should talk to a professional about this persecution complex you seem to have.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Rerun

You really should talk to a professional about this persecution complex you seem to have.

You really should look at a dictionary and find out what a persecution complex seems to be.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-conte...09/winning.gif

[Rerun]

Persecution complex

“The central belief of every moron is that he is the victim of a mysterious conspiracy against his common rights and true deserts. He ascribes all his failure to get on in the world, all of his congenital incapacity and damfoolishness, to the machinations of werewolves assembled in Wall Street, or some other such den of infamy."
—H.L. Mencken

A persecution complex is a term given to an array of psychologically-complex behaviours, that specifically deals with the perception of being persecuted, for various possible reasons, imagined or real.

People or groups who hold to marginal (non-mainstream) beliefs or theories often display some features of this malady, as a way of explaining why their views are not more widespread.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Persecution_complex