[News] Oilers Scratch Yakupov... Again

[T@T]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Very true... Imagine getting Kane, stamkos, and Tavares. Or even now... McKinnon, Reinhart, and McDavid.

Who's up in 2016? because there in the running for Reinhart and McDavid.

[moon]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

They give up 5 goals a game (well less after tonight)... they lose every game. Yakapov hasn't been good... neither have the rest of them. They are scapegoating him for all of the other flaws they have.

Its not like scratching him has led them to being any better... they are still losing every game. RNH and Hall are still on for virtually every goal against they have. RNH is sitting at -9 already in 4 games.

How many times has anyone else said they don't want to play defense, skate or hit?

The play on the ice is only part of it the moronic comments are likely a much larger issue.

Based on his play in the ice and especially his attitude Yakupov deserves to sit a hell of a lot more than the others.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by T@T

Who's up in 2016? because there in the running for Reinhart and McDavid.

I could be wrong, but I believe Sean Day is the early favorite for 1st overall in 2016.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=170115

[macrov]

Originally Posted by devo22

just to be clear, you're really suggesting a single 3rd round pick will get you Fasth or Reimer? Good luck with that.

woah...no need to get your jammies rustled over there.

Fasth is 31. He's pretty old. And is a UFA after next season. He wants to play more, but Hiller is playing well. It might take a 2nd, but probably not more than that.

Reimer is 25. The leafs are have cap problems, Reimer is clearly getting shafted by the Bernier trade. and Bernier continues to play this way, he will be a clear number 1. They might as well free up the space, than have a 25 y/o goalie ride the pine. Organizations also have to consider whats best for their player, not just for their team. So I think he goes a bit cheap to the right team.

In my opinion, Reimer is more like Ben Bishop rather than Bernier or Schneider (a number 1, but not a top 10 goalie in the league). And Bishop was traded for Conacher. And IMO Conacher is somewhere between a 2nd and a 3rd, probably closer to a 3rd. So Reimer probably fetches somewhere in there as well.

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Very true... Imagine getting Kane, stamkos, and Tavares. Or even now... McKinnon, Reinhart, and McDavid.

But you don't think that the way the 1st in Edmonton have been treated is an element of their play? Those guys could have turned into similar, entitled players.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by macrov

Your proposal makes a ton of sense

The Oilers dont have the cap space to do that deal.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by macrov

woah...no need to get your jammies rustled over there.

Fasth is 31. He's pretty old. And is a UFA after next season. He wants to play more, but Hiller is playing well. It might take a 2nd, but probably not more than that.

Reimer is 25. The leafs are have cap problems, Reimer is clearly getting shafted by the Bernier trade. and Bernier continues to play this way, he will be a clear number 1. They might as well free up the space, than have a 25 y/o goalie ride the pine. Organizations also have to consider whats best for their player, not just for their team. So I think he goes a bit cheap to the right team.

In my opinion, Reimer is more like Ben Bishop rather than Bernier or Schneider (a number 1, but not a top 10 goalie in the league). And Bishop was traded for Conacher. And IMO Conacher is somewhere between a 2nd and a 3rd, probably closer to a 3rd. So Reimer probably fetches somewhere in there as well.

some valid points, but where's the enticement for Anaheim/Toronto? F.e., having Fasth as a quality backup surely is much more worth to Anaheim than a 3rd round pick. Why would they do that trade? A 3rd doesn't help them at all. THAT was my point.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by DOOM

Id love for the Oilers to make that trade also, lol.

Yakupov > B Schenn

Nurse > L Schenn

Im not sure. I agree that, Nurse > Luke, but IMO Braydon > Yakupov

-Braydon is a centre, which to me has more value than a winger all else equal. For example, I'd rather have a #1 centre than a #1 winger, or a franchise centre than franchise winger. Strength up the middle.

-Braydon is a 2-way top 6 centre. Yakupov is a 1-way, top 6 player.

-Yakupov could have attitude problems. The schenns are known for having a good attitude.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Very true... Imagine getting Kane, stamkos, and Tavares. Or even now... McKinnon, Reinhart, and McDavid.

Then we'd be talking about the poor, stunted development of Kane, Stamkos, and Tavares. At some point you have to stop pointing the finger at the players and look at the organization

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by moon

How many times has anyone else said they don't want to play defense, skate or hit?

The play on the ice is only part of it the moronic comments are likely a much larger issue.

Based on his play in the ice and especially his attitude Yakupov deserves to sit a hell of a lot more than the others.

Who cares what he says... English isn't his first language and he isn't media savvy. None of them play defense.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by macrov

woah...no need to get your jammies rustled over there.

Fasth is 31. He's pretty old. And is a UFA after next season. He wants to play more, but Hiller is playing well. It might take a 2nd, but probably not more than that.

Reimer is 25. The leafs are have cap problems, Reimer is clearly getting shafted by the Bernier trade. and Bernier continues to play this way, he will be a clear number 1. They might as well free up the space, than have a 25 y/o goalie ride the pine. Organizations also have to consider whats best for their player, not just for their team. So I think he goes a bit cheap to the right team.

In my opinion, Reimer is more like Ben Bishop rather than Bernier or Schneider (a number 1, but not a top 10 goalie in the league). And Bishop was traded for Conacher. And IMO Conacher is somewhere between a 2nd and a 3rd, probably closer to a 3rd. So Reimer probably fetches somewhere in there as well.

Hiller is an upcoming UFA. I don't see them trading Fasth until that issue is resolved.

The do have two solid young goalies in the AHL in Gibson and Andersen also.


There is no reason for the Leafs to trade Reimer unless they are getting a decent goalie back also. If Bernier gets hurt or his play goes downhill Reimer is a great backup plan.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by macrov

Im not sure. I agree that, Nurse > Luke, but IMO Braydon > Yakupov

-Braydon is a centre, which to me has more value than a winger all else equal. For example, I'd rather have a #1 centre than a #1 winger, or a franchise centre than franchise winger. Strength up the middle.

-Braydon is a 2-way top 6 centre. Yakupov is a 1-way, top 6 player.

-Yakupov could have attitude problems. The schenns are known for having a good attitude.

B Schenn has to prove way more before he can be called a legit 2-way top 6 center. His best season was 26 points.

Schenn doesn't have #1 centre upside, imo. Yakupov can become a legit number one winger, imo.

Yakupov is also 2 years younger.

[EYE_Overstand]

i would trade
1. Eberle/ yak + Dubber + _________ for Vanek + Miller (signed with extensions) + ________ ... with other pieces ties in like picks and prospects

2. yak/ eberle and acquire a very good d man

it might sound like robbery, but the way i look at it is that they still Nurse, and their first round this year to acquire a nice piece. Also they finally have to stop losing and put together a strong team.

[EYE_Overstand]

with that said, im glad the dummies up north are spiralling out of control

[tvp2003]

Oilers 2013/14: Fail without Nail

[Sylvanfan]

Ralph Krueger is hoping that Yakupov goes to the Sochi Olympics, and informs MacTavish via Skype that he will be staying in Russia and not returning to Edmonton.

[wpgflamesfan]

Originally Posted by EYE_Overstand

i would trade
1. Eberle/ yak + Dubber + _________ for Vanek + Miller (signed with extensions) + ________ ... with other pieces ties in like picks and prospects

2. yak/ eberle and acquire a very good d man

it might sound like robbery, but the way i look at it is that they still Nurse, and their first round this year to acquire a nice piece. Also they finally have to stop losing and put together a strong team.

first trade wouldn't work with the cap

[Bourque's Twin]

The last time a team drafted 1st ove 3 years in a row was when the Quebec Nordiques got Sundin, Nolan, and Lindros. That's a lot different than Hall, Nuge, and Yak.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by devo22

some valid points, but where's the enticement for Anaheim/Toronto? F.e., having Fasth as a quality backup surely is much more worth to Anaheim than a 3rd round pick. Why would they do that trade? A 3rd doesn't help them at all. THAT was my point.

Not only that, but the Oilers are presumably one of the teams Anaheim would be fighting for a playoff spot against. Fasth is completely out as an option for that reason.

[PlayfulGenius]

I feel the Oilers are making things worse by sitting Yakupov.. I can see for one game to see what he's made of...obviously I'm not in the room so I really have no idea... I just feel this is going to get worse (or better, from our perspective)