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Old 10-10-2013, 07:29 PM   #201
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Goldwater also blatantly race baited, so lets not go too far.
Yeah, probably one of the reasons I disliked him a lot but at that time race baiting in the States was common.

Here's Governor George Wallace who was a presidential candidate in the same era.

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I contend that the present day far right is just as racist (Obama birth certificate, states rights, gerrymandering, lose of voting rights) as back in the 60s, just not so open about it.

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Well Wallace was Alabama's governor
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Well Wallace was Alabama's governor
Yeah, but don't fool yourself, he had a lot of influence and don't forget he was a southern Democrat who led the south to becoming a Republican stronghold.

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Sad but I think that the good old days of openly racist politicians was preferable to the idiots we have today. Instead of 10% of the population being reduced to second class citizens, now 90% could find themselves in that situation.
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http://www.grantland.com/fivethirtye...nment-shutdown


Nate Silver via Grantland talking about the shutdown.
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I contend that the present day far right is just as racist (Obama birth certificate, states rights, gerrymandering, lose of voting rights) as back in the 60s, just not so open about it.

Go sign up for the Tea Party version of Facebook. They're very open about it.
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I like Bernie. It's funny what he says at the end about the Koch brothers and what I said a few pages back

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Wow, rich people really really hate poor people in America. Amazing how they think they know whats best for everyone, and how much money they are willing to spend to keep poor people in their place.

It's too bad the Koch brothers couldn't be poor and uninsured for a few years.
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Our old friend Bernie Sanders, "Hey Paul Ryan, You Lost".

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Go sign up for the Tea Party version of Facebook. They're very open about it.
Is that still going? Wish I never got kickd off , I'll have to try to get back in again. Is there a secret password or anything?
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Well, there was some polling done today that showed the republicans down to a 24% approval rating. That's the lowest it's ever been by a wide margin.

They were saying that if the election was next month instead of next year, you likely would see a wave election where all the tea baggers up for re-election would get ousted by democrats. It still is a distinct possibility even though it isn't till next year.

Even veteran pollsters were shocked at how bad the poll numbers were today, and one of them said that this was one of those polls that you might only see 4 or 5 times in your entire lifetime.
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Go sign up for the Tea Party version of Facebook. They're very open about it.
Is this it?

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Well, there was some polling done today that showed the republicans down to a 24% approval rating. That's the lowest it's ever been by a wide margin.

They were saying that if the election was next month instead of next year, you likely would see a wave election where all the tea baggers up for re-election would get ousted by democrats. It still is a distinct possibility even though it isn't till next year.

Even veteran pollsters were shocked at how bad the poll numbers were today, and one of them said that this was one of those polls that you might only see 4 or 5 times in your entire lifetime.
I think the Tea Baggers are safe because they're doing EXACTLY what they promised to get themselves elected which is try to kill health care.

Their voters eat this #### up and everyone else just watches from afar in horror.
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Well, there was some polling done today that showed the republicans down to a 24% approval rating. That's the lowest it's ever been by a wide margin.

They were saying that if the election was next month instead of next year, you likely would see a wave election where all the tea baggers up for re-election would get ousted by democrats. It still is a distinct possibility even though it isn't till next year.

Even veteran pollsters were shocked at how bad the poll numbers were today, and one of them said that this was one of those polls that you might only see 4 or 5 times in your entire lifetime.
I doubted it before, but with the odds so heavily stacked in their favour, maybe Hillary will run and win.

With both houses firmly democractic, the federal government could really start to get things done, vs. the last decade of gridlock.
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I think the Tea Baggers are safe because they're doing EXACTLY what they promised to get themselves elected which is try to kill health care.

Their voters eat this #### up and everyone else just watches from afar in horror.
The thing is that there are enough seats that aren't "safe" that if there is enough outrage, that they could all flip giving the Dems a majority in all 3 parts of the government, let alone any backlash against the actual tea party nutcases in districts that aren't entirely safe.
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I doubted it before, but with the odds so heavily stacked in their favour, maybe Hillary will run and win.

With both houses firmly democractic, the federal government could really start to get things done, vs. the last decade of gridlock.
If the Dems to take the house and keep the senate, you'll see things like the American Jobs act and a bunch of other jobs plans be enacted getting the government out of this period of stalled economics. Once 2016 hits, it would be almost impossible for the republicans to take back the office.
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Overwhelming public opinion is that the GOP controlled congress is to blame for this shutdown, so what is the opinion of comments like this:

http://spectator.org/archives/2013/1...izer-runs-amok

A friend of mine who is becoming increasingly hardline Republican is posting articles like this over and over again. I'm not even sure how to respond.
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I doubted it before, but with the odds so heavily stacked in their favour, maybe Hillary will run and win.

With both houses firmly democractic, the federal government could really start to get things done, vs. the last decade of gridlock.
I could see a guy like Christie winning the presidents office as he seems to keep his distance from the Tea Party. That's if he could win the nomination which could happen if the Tea Party is destroyed. I don't like him but I can see the possibility of him or Jeb Bush winning. I don't know if the Democrats have any strong candidates other than Hillary at this time. Hillary is big with the female voters but can she carry enough of the male vote. Hey I heard Jesse Ventura with Howard Stern is going to run as an independent.
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I could see a guy like Christie winning the presidents office as he seems to keep his distance from the Tea Party. That's if he could win the nomination which could happen if the Tea Party is destroyed. I don't like him but I can see the possibility of him or Jeb Bush winning. I don't know if the Democrats have any strong candidates other than Hillary at this time. Hillary is big with the female voters but can she carry enough of the male vote. Hey I heard Jesse Ventura with Howard Stern is going to run as an independent.
Marco Rubio is my pick for the Republican ticket. He ticks all the boxes for what they need to win - crazy right wing enough to appeal to the base, yet Hispanic enough to get the Latino vote, and yes, I realize that most Latinos don't consider him Latino enough because he's Cuban, but heck, Obama is technically half white yet still got 95% of the black vote.

Kelly Ayotte will be president one day, might not be for another twenty or thirty years, but I really think she'll be the first female president.

Hillary Clinton is the obvious favourite for the Democratic nomination, so much so that the next favourite is Andrew Cuomo at 14-1. We are so far away from the primaries even getting going so it is tough to make a prediction. It is the Republican's nomination to lose, much like the Democrats could have ran a paper weight against McCain and won after eight years of Bush. Evan Bayh would be a great president, if he can be convinced to throw his hat in the ring, which I very much doubt.
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Ventura as president would be hilarious.

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That means absolutely nothing. Very few black people vote for the Republican Party. Clinton, Gore, and Kerry all won the black vote by huge margins too.
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Overwhelming public opinion is that the GOP controlled congress is to blame for this shutdown, so what is the opinion of comments like this:

http://spectator.org/archives/2013/1...izer-runs-amok

A friend of mine who is becoming increasingly hardline Republican is posting articles like this over and over again. I'm not even sure how to respond.
Repeated punches to the face springs to mind...do you value his friendship?
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That means absolutely nothing. Very few black people vote for the Republican Party. Clinton, Gore, and Kerry all won the black vote by huge margins too.
Clinton was twice as black as Obama.
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