UFAs to sign or not

[moon]

I think someone will badly regret signing Horton but Columbus might actually make sense and work out for them.

[dissentowner]

According to a media source I read Horton wants to play in a warm climate.

[moon]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

According to a media source I read Horton wants to play in a warm climate.

Isn't his wife a model?

Perhaps that is to help her career.

[PeteLFan]

So you leave Boston to go with play in Columbus with?

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

So you leave Boston to go with play in Columbus with?

A lot of money

[MissTeeks]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

So you leave Boston to go with play in Columbus with?

Blake Comeau of course.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

2010-11 with Cleary on their line - Fipulla 39 pts - Hudler 37 pts

2011-12 with Zetterberg: Fipula 66 pts Hudler 50 pts

2012-13 with Backlund and Cervenka as primary linemates Hudler got 27 pts in 44 games


If you want to get Fipula and Hudler to perform well all the Flames have to do is get them to play on a regular basis with Zetterberg.

27 points in 44 games prorates to exactly 50 in 82. So it would appear that Hudler did just as well in ppg with Backlund and Cervenka as he did with Zetterberg.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

27 points in 44 games prorates to exactly 50 in 82. So it would appear that Hudler did just as well in ppg with Backlund and Cervenka as he did with Zetterberg.

I was pointing out that there is no Fipulla magic... Hudler played better with Zetterberg and then with Backlund.

This last year Fipulla played with Zetterberg and Cleary and fell off to 17 points in 41 games. .... extrapolates to 34 pts in an 82 games season.

So maybe Fippula needs Hudler a whole heck of a lot more than Hudler needs him....

Maybe Fippulla signs a 1 year 1 M contract for the chance to play with Hudler and get his career back on track?


Additional while Fippulla's line mates were primarily Cleary and Zetterberg....


Zetterberg played mainly with Brunner and Franzen..... both who had reasonable good seasons.


Simply stated Zetterberg makes who ever he plays with better. Even Backlund and Cervenka were not able to replace Zetterberg as Hudler fell off to 19 goals (extrapolated) and -25 (again extrapolated) from his 25 and +10 with Zetterberg.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I was pointing out that there is no Fipulla magic... Hudler played better with Zetterberg and then with Backlund.

This last year Fipulla played with Zetterberg and Cleary and fell off to 17 points in 41 games. .... extrapolates to 34 pts in an 82 games season.

So maybe Fippula needs Hudler a whole heck of a lot more than Hudler needs him....

Maybe Fippulla signs a 1 year 1 M contract for the chance to play with Hudler and get his career back on track?


Additional while Fippulla's line mates were primarily Cleary and Zetterberg....


Zetterberg played mainly with Brunner and Franzen..... both who had reasonable good seasons.


Simply stated Zetterberg makes who ever he plays with better. Even Backlund and Cervenka were not able to replace Zetterberg as Hudler fell off to 19 goals (extrapolated) and -25 (again extrapolated) from his 25 and +10 with Zetterberg.

Ha. there is no chance Filppula gets signed anywhere for 1 year @ 1 million. His career isn't off track either. Proof will be in his signing.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Ha. there is no chance Filppula gets signed anywhere for 1 year @ 1 million. His career isn't off track either. Proof will be in his signing.

Of course. However I don't think that he would make the Flames better.


PS when Stajan dropped off to 31 points in 10-11 playing with Jackman and Kostopolus there was little argument that his career was off the tracks.

What is different with Filpulla's 34 point season where his 2nd most TOI was Zetterberg???

[Henry Fool]

With Filppula you have to take into account his role even more than the people he played with. I don't know about last season but previously his stats went up because he went from third line center to Zetterberg's winger. That's just a different job. You see the same in the playoffs when he was elevated in the lineup during key injuries.

I don't advocate signing him, mind you. He's said that if he doesn't sign with Detroit, he wants to sign with a strong team. The only way the Flames will get him is by overpaying and he's not a consistent scorer.

I think players like him who have been developed in Detroit would be valuable for any team. You can just see in their game that they know where to be and what to do on the ice.

Filppula also tends to start his seasons very cold and suffered an injury during the lockout. I don't think he got going at all last season. But he's going to be looking for a contract that most people will see as too much for the level of consistent production one would like to see for the money.

I feel that he's going to stay in Detroit after all. At least that's my best guess.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

With Filppula you have to take into account his role even more than the people he played with. I don't know about last season but previously his stats went up because he went from third line center to Zetterberg's winger. That's just a different job. You see the same in the playoffs when he was elevated in the lineup during key injuries.

I don't advocate signing him, mind you. He's said that if he doesn't sign with Detroit, he wants to sign with a strong team. The only way the Flames will get him is by overpaying and he's not a consistent scorer.

I think players like him who have been developed in Detroit would be valuable for any team. You can just see in their game that they know where to be and what to do on the ice.

Filppula also tends to start his seasons very cold and suffered an injury during the lockout. I don't think he got going at all last season. But he's going to be looking for a contract that most people will see as too much for the level of consistent production one would like to see for the money.

I feel that he's going to stay in Detroit after all. At least that's my best guess.

While they may have been developed in Detroit the game was so much simpler for them to play with Lidstrom on the ice controlling the game for half the game.


Are there Red Wings Alumni through out the league that went on to play as good or better than they did with Detroit... Leino...for instance flopped leaving Detroit...


They have a bunch of guys that they reclaimed... Cleary, Draper,Maltby, Bertuzzi (kept his career going), but I can't think of someone who was okay in Detroit going on to play great somewhere else.

[trackercowe]

Any interest in Rostislav Olesz? Probably not since he's a left winger, and he might not be an upgrade over who we already have. But, he's a former top ten pick, and really only was in the AHL because he couldn't live up to his contract. He was a PPG player in Rockford though, and I think could be an interesting reclamation project if he isn't planning on heading to Europe.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

While they may have been developed in Detroit the game was so much simpler for them to play with Lidstrom on the ice controlling the game for half the game.

Are there Red Wings Alumni through out the league that went on to play as good or better than they did with Detroit... Leino...for instance flopped leaving Detroit...

They have a bunch of guys that they reclaimed... Cleary, Draper,Maltby, Bertuzzi (kept his career going), but I can't think of someone who was okay in Detroit going on to play great somewhere else.

You have it backwards. Leino flopped in Detroit but found great chemistry in Philadelphia.

I do think that the players that exemplify the Detroit style of play are very well educated and Filppula is one of those players. I see it in Hudler as well even though he's more one-dimensional than Filppula. His intelligence on the ice would be immediately apparent compared to players that the Flames have brought from worse organisations.

I never suggested that Filppula would improve by leaving Detroit. At the same time, I wouldn't discount the kind of solid two-way play any team can expect from him. With regard to offence, what we've seen is what we'd get.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

While they may have been developed in Detroit the game was so much simpler for them to play with Lidstrom on the ice controlling the game for half the game.


Are there Red Wings Alumni through out the league that went on to play as good or better than they did with Detroit... Leino...for instance flopped leaving Detroit...


They have a bunch of guys that they reclaimed... Cleary, Draper,Maltby, Bertuzzi (kept his career going), but I can't think of someone who was okay in Detroit going on to play great somewhere else.

Nope - not Leino. He actually did much better after leaving Detroit, putting up 53 points in 71 games with Philly. He only had 16 points in 55 games with Detroit in the two seasons prior. Mikael Samuelson also did well after leaving the Wings.

To answer your question honestly though - not a lot of players leave that organization in general. They do a good job of holding their key players for the long term. That is a well run organization.

[Itse]

There has seemed to be a lot of love for Filppula on this site over the years. Personally I've never really seen the point.

He has only once passed ~ 0.5PPG by a notable margin, and was actually below that pace last season. At 29 years old I'm guessing that his 2011-12 season will remain as his career high. Possibly "post-apex" already. Just kind of a 'meh' player in my books.

Nothing against signing him short-term though, the guy is a steady performer and we could use that.

But Peter Mueller intrigues me much more. He even shoots right, unlike Filppula

[The Fonz]

I'd be okay with Mueller on a 1 yr contract, 2 at the most, in the 2M per area.

Is he going to get more than that anywhere else?

[drPepper1]

Sign Clowe and Clarkson. Goon it up, beat up on the Oilers and Canucks next few years

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I'd be okay with Mueller on a 1 yr contract, 2 at the most, in the 2M per area.

Is he going to get more than that anywhere else?

His qualifying offer would have been only 1.8M which the Panthers decided was too much.

Of course team needs play a part but if there's a team out there that was willing today to give Mueller more than the 1.8M, you would think Florida would have tried trading him for a 7th rounder.

We'll have to wait and how the dust settles after UFA frenzy and teams have to settle for players like Mueller but I can't imagine him getting north of 2M on a multiyear contract.

How's he at wing though? I still think of Mueller as a center, but seems like the Flames have a logjam at centers that aren't good enough to be in the top 6, or at least shouldn't be. I do realize he's been playing wing a lot though too.

I don't know, for a warm bodies there's worse options but with his concussion issues there's probably better options as well.

[Bar-Down]

We wont sign any big fish so I kind of hope we sign guys like Mueller, Clowe, Ference.

Clowe and Ference will be good vets to have around the young guys who arent afraid to step up and protect a teammate.