[Trade] Cory Schneider to NJ for #9 overall (Bo Horvat)

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Torts has said unequivocally sedins will be killing penalties and playing more even matchups.

I think, like having Iginla on the PK, it will be good for their game.

It would surprise me if Horvat isn't pencilled into their lineup. I think part of the reason for drafting him vs. say any of the others that went 10-14 is that ability to be somewhat reliable as an NHLer as soon as possible.

Canucks are desperate for highly effective ELC contracts to keep competitive. After getting a taste of Schroeder and Kassian last year, I think they are pretty desperate to find a guy who could contribute solid minutes for them in a depth role.

We'll have to see what happens with the rest of their contracts though.

I think 2 of Horvat, Gaunce, and Shinkaruk are in the lineup next season

like you said they need the ELCs next year (once the cap goes up after not an issue) and with 2 of the above plus Kassian and Jensen that gives them 4 possible top 9 forwards on the cheap

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Good trade for Vancouver. I question the people who question the return, goalies just do not have alot of value on the trade market. This would be about as good as you could get. My only question is Horvat vs Nichushkin. Anyway Vancouver did the right thing in their choice between Schneider and Luongo, the one with value was shipped and now they have a very nice prospect out of it.

Ya that I can completely see

Someone else said it but if you put Nichushkin with the Sedins next year you have your calder winner

the one thing that kind of worked out (and there's no way this could have been guessed) is Shinkaruk being available at 24 allowed them to get a sniper there, and they needed a center in the first round

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Good trade for Vancouver. I question the people who question the return, goalies just do not have alot of value on the trade market. This would be about as good as you could get. My only question is Horvat vs Nichushkin. Anyway Vancouver did the right thing in their choice between Schneider and Luongo, the one with value was shipped and now they have a very nice prospect out of it.

I actually agree that the Canucks got more than they deserved in trading Schneider to NJ. Schneider only had a couple of good season with the Canucks and to get early first round for him was a bit overpayment for him as far as I am concerned. As for not picking Nichuskin, i think the reasoning was they want to pick a player who they think will have a chance to suit up for the team next season. Nichuskin might be ready and talented than Horvat but the guy is under contract with the KHL. If the guy is not under contract with the KHL, I would think he would be one of the Top 5 pick.

Anyways I just can't wait for the season to see how much mess Gillis did for this team. He traded a goalie who's so excited to play goal for them and kept the guy who's overpaid and was resigned to play somewhere other than Vancouver in the next few season. I am not even sure Torts and Gillis ill co-exist so i am guessing once the Canucks goes into a funk this season, we will say bye-bye to Gillis.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

I think 2 of Horvat, Gaunce, and Shinkaruk are in the lineup next season

Gaunce is a pretty mediocre prospect. If he cracks the Canucks roster that will be telling of their team depth.

[OILFAN #81]

I think they will patch things up and Luongo will start for Vancouver, but what would the Canucks do if he wasn't back? Most of the good goalies on the market re-signed and Vancouver has Lack remaining.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

I think they will patch things up and Luongo will start for Vancouver, but what would the Canucks do if he wasn't back? Most of the good goalies on the market re-signed and Vancouver has Lack remaining.

They signed that Sweedish goaltender Joacim Eriksson but he's kind of an unknown. I think Luongo will play for them as he doesn't really have any other option outside of holding out and not getting paid. I think the real problem is when he has a stretch when he struggles. Over the past few years when he struggled they just put in Schneider and now they don't have that security blanket and if Luongo has a stretch where he plays poor it will get pretty ugly with fans and media. I simply don't see this ending well for either side. IMO the Canucks had to do something this weekend but this was the worst case scenario of all their options and keeping both goaltenders wasn't an option.

[foshizzle11]

The drama in Vancouver with Luongo will be awesome to watch. It will be interesting to see any Luongo interviews, anyone find any since the trade yesterday?

[Galakanokis]

Decent pick in Horvat, not the best player available but the Canuck's needed a center. Thought both first round picks were good but the return for Schneider was not what they were hoping for.

Lack is still injured I believe and is not available to start the year. Hip surgery I believe. The new goalie is a complete unknown, in the Berra, Ramo area. Could be good could wash out.

I have no doubt that Luongo is a professional and will honour his contract but make no mistake, he wants out of Vancouver and has for awhile. The issues go farther back than Schneider getting his contract and named #1. If he sticks around I cannot see him playing out his contract. Nice big fat cap hit to the Canuck's when he retires...

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Gaunce is a pretty mediocre prospect. If he cracks the Canucks roster that will be telling of their team depth.

his ceiling isn't high (2nd line max) but he could be a decent 3rd line guy next year if his skating improves a bit

[Stay Golden]

there was some Canucks fans that we asked if they heard the news Schneider was traded for the 9th pick and they got all bent that VAN only got a 9th round pick back for Schneider. "WHAT"
We had a good laugh watching them get mad at their own blunder.
9th round

I thought that VAN made a smart pick with Horvat.
Horvat will be a good NHL player but i'm sure most Van fans would admit they assumed that Schneider would have garnered a player or solid prospect coming back with the 9th pick.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by moon

I agree that anything that anything can happen and Horvat could end up being the better player but Monahan is better than a slightly better version. He is the clearly better prospect, clearly better upside and a much better bet.

Again that doesn't mean that he will turn out better but to make it out like they are neck and neck is silly.

Canuck fans wouldn't be Canuck fans if they weren't in this thread about Horvat telling us why he's as good as Monahan. I'm sure they believe deep down he's better too. It's in their genetic Canuckle makeup to be this way

[bubbsy]

it will be fun when things go even a bit 'pear-shaped' with luongo having a bad stretch, schneider doing ok on a usually defensively strong devils team, and torterella doing his thing to appease the media.

Should be a fun shipwreck of a season for the canucks.

[t0rrent98]

Hobart is a decent player. Hes compared to David backes.

[Cheerio]

Bill Waters on twitter is saying that the reason Schneider was traded is due to off ice issues, not financial or goaltending issues.

https://twitter.com/RealBillWatters

[nightfx]

Originally Posted by OzSome

I actually agree that the Canucks got more than they deserved in trading Schneider to NJ. Schneider only had a couple of good season with the Canucks and to get early first round for him was a bit overpayment for him as far as I am concerned. As for not picking Nichuskin, i think the reasoning was they want to pick a player who they think will have a chance to suit up for the team next season. Nichuskin might be ready and talented than Horvat but the guy is under contract with the KHL. If the guy is not under contract with the KHL, I would think he would be one of the Top 5 pick.

Anyways I just can't wait for the season to see how much mess Gillis did for this team. He traded a goalie who's so excited to play goal for them and kept the guy who's overpaid and was resigned to play somewhere other than Vancouver in the next few season. I am not even sure Torts and Gillis ill co-exist so i am guessing once the Canucks goes into a funk this season, we will say bye-bye to Gillis.

Nichushkin has no KHL contract and will very likely be playing in the NHL this season.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Bill Waters on twitter is saying that the reason Schneider was traded is due to off ice issues, not financial or goaltending issues.

https://twitter.com/RealBillWatters

there's a rumor going around about something not even worth mentioning

that by the fact he is getting married this month throws out the window


also the Canucks and Schnieders agent both denied that he requested a trade

[Muta]

Know someone who golfed with a person in Canucks management over the weekend. Gillis and the management team are not on the same page right now.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

there's a rumor going around about something not even worth mentioning

that by the fact he is getting married this month throws out the window


also the Canucks and Schnieders agent both denied that he requested a trade

I am glad someone called Watters on it...

Greg Wyshynski ‏@wyshynski 46m
The point is that tossing "off ice issues" causally about a player is a pretty ####ty thing to do in general.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

I am glad someone called Watters on it...

yep, and Watters just said he can't confirm what it is but he doesn't think it's booze or drugs

so he basically has no clue at all

horrible journalism

[Mango]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Bill Waters on twitter is saying that the reason Schneider was traded is due to off ice issues, not financial or goaltending issues.

https://twitter.com/RealBillWatters

Definitely one of the biggest no-nos for a journalist and social media.

On another note, yikes when it comes to his use of punctuation...

[Hockey]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

there's a rumor going around about something not even worth mentioning

that by the fact he is getting married this month throws out the window


also the Canucks and Schnieders agent both denied that he requested a trade

Do you tweet at all? Because if you do I have a feeling I might follow you. I do know exactly what you are talking about.