Poll: "Do you believe in the current mgmt group"

[MolsonInBothHands]

So what is worse than what you were hoping? Size, grit, centres? Address any of those with quick fixes this year, and Iginla and your favorite Dman would possibly still be here, and we would have one first round pick, and it wouldnt be sixth. Your biggest bitch and moan seems to contradict what your long term goals for this team are?

[moon]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

So what is worse than what you were hoping? Size, grit, centres? Address any of those with quick fixes this year, and Iginla and your favorite Dman would possibly still be here, and we would have one first round pick, and it wouldnt be sixth. Your biggest bitch and moan seems to contradict what your long term goals for this team are?

What is worse is that in the past 2.5 season we have seen very few moves to make this team better long term and a lot of chances wasted to shorten the rebuild by trying to hang on to a pipe dream of the play-offs.

I have said numerous times the rebuild should have started the deadline after Feaster got hired. If not that summer, if not the next deadline, if not the next summer. It took way to long to start the rebuild.

I don't want quick fixes like Feaster has tried. Not sure what you are talking about or why you are trying to put words in my mouth quick fixes are the exact opposite of what I want.

Not sure why this is hard to understand but what I want is a GM that is a good, smart hockey guy and I don't see Feaster as that.

My biggest bitch and moan is that Feaster is a bad hockey GM, not sure how that contradicts anything.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

Here is my assumption... Feaster said he wasn't the man for a rebuild because ownership and Iggy would not let that play out. That doesnt mean behind closed doors he didnt argue for it. As a husband and father I will present a united front to the kids on something my wife argues with the kids, but behind closed doors I may state how we could have handled that differently. Feaster is married to Edwards. LOL.

Putting on a united front for public perception is a little different than making bold and arrogant statements like "if this team wants to rebuild they'll have to find a new GM" (paraphrasing). If Feaster truly was being completely held back by ownership, wouldn't a canned response of "we feel like we have a chance to compete this season and we're going to see that through" be more appropriate than suggesting he's above working for a rebuilding team?

[MolsonInBothHands]

Moon, come on. You dont see why the real rebuild could NOT start for 2.5 years? Really?

[MolsonInBothHands]

Originally Posted by JayP

Putting on a united front for public perception is a little different than making bold and arrogant statements like "if this team wants to rebuild they'll have to find a new GM" (paraphrasing). If Feaster truly was being completely held back by ownership, wouldn't a canned response of "we feel like we have a chance to compete this season and we're going to see that through" be more appropriate than suggesting he's above working for a rebuilding team?

Possibly. And I grant that Feasters biggest detriment is his mouth. I am just not convinced that warrants dismissal yet. I am still willing to see how this management team proceeds with the draft and the off season.

[moon]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

Moon, come on. You dont see why the real rebuild could NOT start for 2.5 years? Really?

I don't see any valid reason at all.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by moon

Always easier to attack the posters then actually address the issues I guess.

Not that this is one of them but it would be interesting to have a link to some of CP's epic showdowns....the ones where a guy could lurk but not get pissy about things going off the rails...enjoy the battle.

Most ended in a vacation or outright banning of someone lol.

[Phanuthier]

I don't think we started a rebuild until 2 months ago either. We were "re-tooling" but even that wasn't great, and the emphasis was still win now (Brad Richards, Ryan Smyth offers, giving up a 2nd round pick to Buffalo and Montreal, Wideman)... NTC/NMC were given out with Feaster... yes Darryl left a mess, but we weren't pretty last year with our No 7 and No 8 dman making $2M and $2.5M, lest not forget the GM thought hte No 8 defeseman got $2.5M and a NTC because he thought he would get 50 pts.

The question is do we believe in the current mgmt group, which is Feaster. If his only defense is, "well he's not doing great because things were going downhill anyways" then it sounds like there are better options right now. Someone earlier said the way to look at it is, "if Feaster wasn't currently Flames GM and you were actively searching, do you think he is the best guy for the Flames right now? Is he better then Brian Burke, or Jim Nill ( ) , etc" ... I have to say the answer is no. Quite frankly, I don't think he's that much better then Kevin Lowe or Craig Button.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by moon

What is worse is that in the past 2.5 season we have seen very few moves to make this team better long term and a lot of chances wasted to shorten the rebuild by trying to hang on to a pipe dream of the play-offs.

I have said numerous times the rebuild should have started the deadline after Feaster got hired. If not that summer, if not the next deadline, if not the next summer. It took way to long to start the rebuild.

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Tough to argue that.

He made a huge strategic error when he took over. He decided to run with the older thoroughbreds and add some middle age to older free agents that did not and will not stem the tide. He mistakingly looked at the team as a playoff contender instead of starting a rebuild to create a championship contender, 3 years ago.

In essence he perpetuated the length of the rebuild by not properly evaluating the club.

Because of the error the team's tradeable assets lost considerable value.Poor asset management.

Proper leadership, including evaluation, timing and execution is everything in management.

The club's lack of impact 27 and younger players will haunt the team a lot longer than people like to imagine.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by timbit

Tough to argue that.

He made a huge strategic error when he took over. He decided to run with the older thoroughbreds and add some middle age to older free agents that did not and will not stem the tide. He mistakingly looked at the team as a playoff contender instead of starting a rebuild to create a championship contender, 3 years ago.

In essence he perpetuated the length of the rebuild by not properly evaluating the club.

Because of the error the team's tradeable assets lost considerable value.Poor asset management.

Proper leadership, including evaluation, timing and execution is everything in management.

The club's lack of impact 27 and younger players will haunt the team a lot longer than people like to imagine.

Proof in his own words he wasn't rebuilding: "Fool me once ..."

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by timbit

Tough to argue that.

He made a huge strategic error when he took over. He decided to run with the older thoroughbreds and add some middle age to older free agents that did not and will not stem the tide. He mistakingly looked at the team as a playoff contender instead of starting a rebuild to create a championship contender, 3 years ago.

In essence he perpetuated the length of the rebuild by not properly evaluating the club.

Because of the error the team's tradeable assets lost considerable value.Poor asset management.

Proper leadership, including evaluation, timing and execution is everything in management.

The club's lack of impact 27 and younger players will haunt the team a lot longer than people like to imagine.

"And that's the bottom line because Stone Cold said so!"

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

While some of Feaster's decisions have been really terrible (like the Richards and O'Reilly offers), it also has to be pointed out that he took over a team that pissed away assets and areas of strength over the past few years. I don't think any GM could have came in and turned this thing around without going full rebuild, and I think it took until now for the owners to even entertain the thought. Would Feaster have made those decisions if the owners greenlit the Iginla and Bouwmeester trades before then? Who knows...

Yeah, I don't think you can fairly judge Feaster without considering:

A) He stepped into maybe the worst situation in the NHL in terms of roster talent, cap, and age profile.

B) For his first two seasons, ownership was evidently opposed to rebuilding or moving the team's top assets.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by timbit

Tough to argue that.

He made a huge strategic error when he took over. He decided to run with the older thoroughbreds and add some middle age to older free agents that did not and will not stem the tide. He mistakingly looked at the team as a playoff contender instead of starting a rebuild to create a championship contender, 3 years ago.

In essence he perpetuated the length of the rebuild by not properly evaluating the club.

Because of the error the team's tradeable assets lost considerable value.Poor asset management.

Proper leadership, including evaluation, timing and execution is everything in management.

The club's lack of impact 27 and younger players will haunt the team a lot longer than people like to imagine.

While I agree with your diagnosis of management's errors, ultimately it comes down to whether or not you believe Feaster controls the strategic direction of the team. I don't believe he does.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Ha! There's zero evidence that the cupboards aren't bare and all kinds of evidence that they are bare? Awesome blanket statement and use of evidence.

I belive that the organization is overvaluing it's talent base. It's simply not as good as they think it is. Has it improved over Darryl Sutter's time? Well slightly but it would be hard to do worse given the shambles it was in. It's still below average and that's not good when you are in a rebuilding mode.

Sven looks like he's going to be a top 6 forward but I really don't see any difference makers in the system at present time. Like scouts say the Flames have a lot of prospects that look like they can be solid role players but this organization is extremely light on potential impact players. Jankowski will be lucky to play NHL period and Gaudreau will always be limited to his small stature. Sure he could be the next Martin St. Louis but what people don't realize about St. Louis is that he's built like bulldog. His legs are massive and he's in exemplary condition. Is Gaudreau going to have the discipline to get himself in the physical condition needed for a small man to play in the league? Completely unknown at this point.

[ComixZone]

I'll compliment Feaster/Weisbrod for one (relatively major thing), and that is that they've brought the managerial style of the Calgary Flames from woefully inadequate up to adequate.

Unfortunately, "adequate" is worth almost nothing at the NHL level. Adequate is where we have been the last 4 years, despite ourselves (mostly thanks to the play of Kiprusoff). It's time for this team's management to show that they're better than other team's management...and it's also time for me to realize that I said this EXACT same thing last summer.

So another year has gone by, and we've seen nothing more but a continued "adequate" level of management (and in a lot of people's minds, the returns for Bouw and Iginla pushed our managerial team back into a level of inadequacy).

So with that in mind...do I think Feaster/King/Weisbrod have earned my trust to properly run this organization going forward? The answer is a sad and resounding no.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by moon

Okay what evidence is there?

I want Feaster fired because he is a terrible GM and seems to have little to no hockey sense.

I don't believe that ownership interferred so don't think he is a liar at all when it comes to that.

You will never get anyone in the NHL to come on the record and say ownership meddled in hockey operations. But we know it happens. And there have been enough rumours, allusions, and suggestions from people around the Flames organization and among hockey insiders for me to believe that where there's smoke, there's fire.

As long as the goal was to keep Iginla in a Flames jersey, and keep him happy (ie bring back buddies like Tanguay and Cammaleri, not give coaches the green light to punish vets), and make the playoffs, then there could be no rebuild.

He said he wasn't hired to rebuild? Well, Flames ownership weren't going to hire anybody to rebuild the team. Not so long as they held to the delusion that an Iginla-led Flames could squeek into the playoffs and then anything could happen.

[moon]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

You will never get anyone in the NHL to come on the record and say ownership meddled in hockey operations. But we know it happens. And there have been enough rumours, allusions, and suggestions from people around the Flames organization and among hockey insiders for me to believe that where there's smoke, there's fire.

There really hasn't been enough of that at all but different people will believe what they will.

Still doesn't change the fact that he made bad trades and signings that it is hard to believe he was forced to make and if he is so weak to get forced to do things he doesn't believe in and then go on and on about how it is his plan then do we really want someone like that running the team?

As long as the goal was to keep Iginla in a Flames jersey, and keep him happy (ie bring back buddies like Tanguay and Cammaleri, not give coaches the green light to punish vets), and make the playoffs, then there could be no rebuild.

No reason to believe that was the plan by anyone other than Feaster.

He said he wasn't hired to rebuild? Well, Flames ownership weren't going to hire anybody to rebuild the team. Not so long as they held to the delusion that an Iginla-led Flames could squeek into the playoffs and then anything could happen.

No reason to think any of that is true at all.

[moon]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I'll compliment Feaster/Weisbrod for one (relatively major thing), and that is that they've brought the managerial style of the Calgary Flames from woefully inadequate up to adequate.

Based on what?

The previous management seemed to do a lot more and a lot better than this group.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I belive that the organization is overvaluing it's talent base. It's simply not as good as they think it is. Has it improved over Darryl Sutter's time? Well slightly but it would be hard to do worse given the shambles it was in. It's still below average and that's not good when you are in a rebuilding mode.

This is seemingly a problem with the Flames management and it is definitely a problem with our fanbase. We compare our state to our past and not the present states of the teams we compete with.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by moon

Still doesn't change the fact that he made bad trades and signings that it is hard to believe he was forced to make and if he is so weak to get forced to do things he doesn't believe in and then go on and on about how it is his plan then do we really want someone like that running the team?

We (the fans) probably don't, but I have a feeling ownership does. I'd be real surprised to see a strong, independent-minded GM in Calgary any time soon.