How long before Feaster makes a move, and WHAT does he do?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

There's a lot of talk on the board about Couterier and he might be the cheapest one to get from Philly but still will result in a king's ransom and we may not have the assets Philly wants. I can't see Bouwmeester waiving to go to Philly and Giordano or Brodie isn't going to cut it. One player I hope they are looking at is Burmistrov in WPG. 21 years old and has the upside we are looking for. Might cost us our 1st but I think Feaster is finally prepared to overpay to get a good C we so desperately need.

If for some reason Couterier could be had , then offer them Iggy + or Gio +.

I do wonder if a young center was available and they wanted Iggy as part of the trade if Feaster would say no, but our 1st is in play? I really hope not.

[Flash Walken]

According to Darren Jones a couple of weeks ago, in the head to head shifts where Coutourier has been on against Malkin, Malkin saw a steep reduction in zone time and something like a 76 percent reduction in shots compared to his average.

Coutourier I think would be as untouchable as Richards was in his first 4 seasons.

[ThatOneFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Otto29

Thanks...i needed a laugh amongst all this negativity

A laugh? When I think of a rebuild, and I mean a good honest burn it down rebuild.

That was pretty much what I expected and that's whats going to happen this year if were clearly out of a spot by the deadline.

Though personally, I'd like to see this....

Trade Iggy for a high 1st and/or decent to high end prospect.

Trade Kipper for a 1st/2nd and/or a high end prospect.

Then depending on the situation after that and how close we are to a spot, maybe trade one of Bouwmeester or Giordano for a pick, possibly try to trade for O'Reilly and salvage that situation.

And then let your Babchuks and Comeaus walk and fill those spots with guys from the farm and potentially your draft picks and see where that takes you next year. (With Ramo/Brossoit as your tandem)

I think we could maintain the Flames win now status quo and inject enough youth to threaten for the 8th spot with this method.

[sergei_makarov]

Not too sure what happens next, but I kind of wish Darryl Sutter was GM of the Kings... could possibly work out a Doughty + prospect deal for Stempniak, Stajan, Jackman and Comeau...

[Tinordi]

Get this through your heads, you are not getting Courturier for Iginla, or any player on the Flames roster for that matter.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Get this through your heads, you are not getting Courturier for Iginla, or any player on the Flames roster for that matter.

That seems odd? I am pretty sure Iggy and Sven would get it done. Not that i want to trade Sven.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

That seems odd? I am pretty sure Iggy and Sven would get it done. Not that i want to trade Sven.

I dont think it would.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I dont think it would.

I'm sorry? You don't think Philly would trade Couturier for Iginla + Baertschi?

Good lord

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I dont think it would.

Me neither. Couturier is highly regarded in Philly.

[dammage79]

I bow to the hypothetical trade masters here on CP. You guys know it all. Holmgren does remarkably insane trades. To say anyone...and I mean anyone on Philly is untouchable is a little far fetched. Thats exactly what everyone thought about carter and richards and carle.

[The Original FFIV]

OK, so we can interpret from this week's developments that there is urgency to improve the team soon. There is a lack of sellers so any deal will be at a premium, however if things remain tight and no one is selling, I can see prices being driven higher. Believe that there are a couple of teams that might sell and have skilled C available, but at a premium.

Columbus - they have injury issues right now but. C of interest are Brassard, Dubinsky and Johansen. The latter might be kept with the management change as he is young and skilled. Howevef as their new GM has a scouting background, maybe he is not a fan and would consider moving him for a draft pick. Brassard has been mentioned by others but would probably cost us our 1st. He is 25 and a RFA after next season so he would be around for a while. Dubinsky is being mentioned as captain material so as long as management share the view of the coach he isn't going anywhere.

NYI - odd organization that is always selling/rebuilding. Snow seems to have the least autonomy of any GM in the league and seems to build team through waivers. They do have Bailey who is intriguing as he does seem to have talent but has been fighting with the organization over contract. Snow/Wang would want our first or Sven which is too rich but if they would consider a lower pick this might be and interesting pickup. Maybe the package could be expanded to include Neiderreiter which would probably see our 1st going back.

Winnipeg - wild card but are building patiently. I would be interested in Burmistrov as stated earlier as he seems to have the requisite tools to be a top line C. Would Cheveldayoff want our first? Probably and the fact he didn't draft Burmistrov lessens any attachment he may have and might be open to our pick so he can draft a player that fits the culture he is trying to create. They are still in the playoff hunt so might be loathe to part with him.

[browna]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

OK, so we can interpret from this week's developments that there is urgency to improve the team soon.

According to Feaster, in the next sentence after talking about O'Reilly being out out of the picture, the Flames were positioned to "pounce" in the trade market. (his words, or him agreeing with Millions' words)

Of course, in the sentence before talking about doing what they did with O'Reilly, he said they had explored the trade front and the price around the league was too steep.

I don't think in that the 6 hours between offer being tendered and then matched, the trade market softened or changed once inch.

If he wasn't willing to pay the price before the O'Reilly thing, enough to stick his neck out and do an offer sheet, I really hope he's not going to go back and jump at one of the offers he deemed too steep of a price, now that O'Reilly is gone, and the heat is on him to make up for his blunder.

[Enoch Root]

^ let's hope

[Flash Walken]

You'd better believe at this point the flames are positioned as buyers, just like they said they were last year when the team wasn't good enough.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by browna

According to Feaster, in the next sentence after talking about O'Reilly being out out of the picture, the Flames were positioned to "pounce" in the trade market. (his words, or him agreeing with Millions' words)

Of course, in the sentence before talking about doing what they did with O'Reilly, he said they had explored the trade front and the price around the league was too steep.

I don't think in that the 6 hours between offer being tendered and then matched, the trade market softened or changed once inch.

If he wasn't willing to pay the price before the O'Reilly thing, enough to stick his neck out and do an offer sheet, I really hope he's not going to go back and jump at one of the offers he deemed too steep of a price, now that O'Reilly is gone, and the heat is on him to make up for his blunder.

I don't think a move will be made based on a perceived blunder. He probably has a good handle on the trade market and determined that O'Reilly via offer sheet was the cheapest cost asset wise for an upgrade at center. That option is closed, so he is off to plan B, which is an upgrade at C but at a higher cost asset wise. I do believe he is sincere in trying to improve the team and will not make a move to 'save face'.

[browna]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

I do believe he is sincere in trying to improve the team and will not make a move to 'save face'.

Sure, but is Plan B at a price deemed too steep the day before, now attractive?

Not saying his sole purpose for making a deal sooner then later is because of not getting O'Reilly, or, because his reputation has taken a hit in the fallout, but that plays a factor now, however small. Until he makes the next deal there will be the whispers that he's either gun shy and/or had his wrists slapped and not allowed to make decisions as GM. The quicker and/or bigger the deal, the more in control he still appears externally.

Like it or not, and rightly or wrongly, Feaster now has a perception issue that is going to affect the way the media/public sees him. The sooner he can resume business and make (please please please) smart (or not dumb, at least?) moves, the sooner this media storm can start to be put behind him, at least in the short term.

[timbit]

I sincerely hope he does not resort to "patchworking" this team for the umpteenth time.Surely that strategy has run its course. The ROR was an attempt to get younger and better, short term and long term.....I see that although the price was debateable.

Please no Richards or Lacavalier. Accumulate draft picks and young prospects and lets try building. a future where we have impactful players under 27.....like the rest of the Cup contenders have.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by browna

Sure, but is Plan B at a price deemed too steep the day before, now attractive?

Not saying his sole purpose for making a deal sooner then later is because of not getting O'Reilly, or, because his reputation has taken a hit in the fallout, but that plays a factor now, however small. Until he makes the next deal there will be the whispers that he's either gun shy and/or had his wrists slapped and not allowed to make decisions as GM. The quicker and/or bigger the deal, the more in control he still appears externally.

Like it or not, and rightly or wrongly, Feaster now has a perception issue that is going to affect the way the media/public sees him. The sooner he can resume business and make (please please please) smart (or not dumb, at least?) moves, the sooner this media storm can start to be put behind him, at least in the short term.

This is precisely the concern, IMO.

I am terrified that he is going to make a move now that will be crushing for the future - like a Lecavier trade.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This is precisely the concern, IMO.

I am terrified that he is going to make a move now that will be crushing for the future - like a Lecavier trade.

The well I can see him returning to first before VL, is Richards.

Knowing he still has to make amends/convince a potentially leery ownership group after the last couple days events of his own worth as GM, Richards is a guy he got buy in from the same owners 28 months ago to spend almost $10m a year for the next 8 or 9 years. He got players onside, everything in place. That will be the easiest path to start re-wandering down (and fits the center requirement) if it is in fact a home run swing he is looking for.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by browna

The well I can see him returning to first before VL, is Richards.

Knowing he still has to make amends/convince a potentially leery ownership group after the last couple days events of his own worth as GM, Richards is a guy he got buy in from the same owners 28 months ago to spend almost $10m a year for the next 8 or 9 years. He got players onside, everything in place. That will be the easiest path to start re-wandering down (and fits the center requirement) if it is in fact a home run swing he is looking for.

I doubt Feaster goes after those two. I really think he wil stick with the 27 and under center. Also i highly doubt either of those 2 are available right now, which is a good thing. Maybe summer, but that could be to late for Feaster.

If he does get a center in the 27 and under range, it will come at a price. I guess we just have to wait and see what that price will be. I predict many un happy posters.

Also after the Av's game debacle, he might be taking it game by game. 2 no shows by the team in this homestand and maybe he stands pat. 2 wins and i guarantee he pulls the trigger on something.