Comcast Philly....Iggy to Philly or Boston

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

For the Flames to maximise a Bouwmeester trade we should retain 30-50% of his salary and his worth would be extremely high to any contending teams or teams in general that want a top pairing Dman that can eat minutes.

He may be our best trade asset right now and I do not think the Flames are afraid to pull the trigger if they get the offer they want. Will Bouw waive is the real question?

The trick then becomes convincing the owners to pay 2-3 million dollars for prospects/picks. By retaining salary, you're essentially buying another team's prospects/picks from them.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

speaking of rebuilds and Fleury... would it be accurate to say that was the last time the flames attempted a true rebuild? I don't think I'd make it through another young guns era.

Why? Does the current edition of 'Geriatric Guns' particularly turn your crank?

[Poe969]

lol everyone talks about the young guns era like it's the worst possible thing that we could have gone through. I think watching young players develop into stars wasn't that bad.

Watching older guys in the twilight of their careers is much more depressing.

Either way the result is no playoffs

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Locke

Why? Does the current edition of 'Geriatric Guns' particularly turn your crank?

The Rusty Muskets era

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by blankall

The trick then becomes convincing the owners to pay 2-3 million dollars for prospects/picks. By retaining salary, you're essentially buying another team's prospects/picks from them.

Yup I think that is the type of move ownership signs off of if it means the promise of being competitive now and in the future is the result. If the Flames can add players that can play significant roles right now and still keep Iggy/Kipper while being competitive I think Edwards signs off on that rather quickly.

[Stay Golden]

If Iggy went to the Bruins i could selfishly still cheer for him in Black & Gold.

From the VIP session i was at recently KKing made it pretty clear to a comment similar to...they haven't invested aprox 100 million in him to go play for another team.
The Flames organization wants Iginla to retire a Flames for life and go into the HOF as a Calgary Flame only.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Poe969

lol everyone talks about the young guns era like it's the worst possible thing that we could have gone through. I think watching young players develop into stars wasn't that bad.

Watching older guys in the twilight of their careers is much more depressing.

Either way the result is no playoffs

It sucked a bit more watching them develop into stars for other teams, but thems the breaks sometimes.

Originally Posted by Tinordi

The Rusty Muskets era

Thats a great name for it.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by moon

Paul Gaustad gets a 1st round pick but Iginla gets a 2nd rounder and a bad prospect?

I think the days of the Schenn/Simmons packages are over but there is no way Iginla doesn't get a 1st round ++ back based on what other guys have got back.

You are underestimating Gaustads value back then. He was around 30? or so, basically in his prime and also expected to play several years more in this league. He also had distinct qualities to bring to the table for Nashville (size, faceoffs atleast) to fill a need of a team.

What is the need that Iginla would at the moment fill for a team? Obviously everyone expects him to pick it up and score 30 but at the moment I don´t think his value would be much more then Gaustads. He simply doesn´t bring much to the table at the moment.

[davidbjordan]

Originally Posted by Saqe

You are underestimating Gaustads value back then. He was around 30? or so, basically in his prime and also expected to play several years more in this league. He also had distinct qualities to bring to the table for Nashville (size, faceoffs atleast) to fill a need of a team.

What is the need that Iginla would at the moment fill for a team? Obviously everyone expects him to pick it up and score 30 but at the moment I don´t think his value would be much more then Gaustads. He simply doesn´t bring much to the table at the moment.

a 50 year old iginla would have the same or greater value of a 30 yr old gaustad...

and to think that a terrible kaberle would fetch more than iginla is crazy

[dammage79]

Not sure there is a marker trade to compare to a potential Iginla trade. If ever there was a more unique trade scenario than the one we are discussing now it would maybe, possibly be
Bourque to the Avs.

To Colorado: Bourque, Andreychuck
To Boston: Brian Rolston, Martin Grenier, Samual Pahlsson, 1st rounder in '00 or '01

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Saqe

You are underestimating Gaustads value back then. He was around 30? or so, basically in his prime and also expected to play several years more in this league. He also had distinct qualities to bring to the table for Nashville (size, faceoffs atleast) to fill a need of a team.

What is the need that Iginla would at the moment fill for a team? Obviously everyone expects him to pick it up and score 30 but at the moment I don´t think his value would be much more then Gaustads. He simply doesn´t bring much to the table at the moment.

Wow. I get that some people are overvaluing Iginla right now, but some of you are totally undervaluing him to a ridiculous extent.

The guy was the leading point producer on this team last season. He is currently only a few points out of being the leading producer for them again.

So a veteran HOF calibur player, who is generally respected as a leader, and still essentially leads his team in points, brings nothing to the table and has little trade value?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Saqe

You are underestimating Gaustads value back then. He was around 30? or so, basically in his prime and also expected to play several years more in this league. He also had distinct qualities to bring to the table for Nashville (size, faceoffs atleast) to fill a need of a team.

What is the need that Iginla would at the moment fill for a team? Obviously everyone expects him to pick it up and score 30 but at the moment I don´t think his value would be much more then Gaustads. He simply doesn´t bring much to the table at the moment.

Gaustad was a FA so if he was going to play several more years it certainly wasn't guaranteed for Nashville and doesn't really come into to play for his value at the deadline. His role on the team is nowhere near as important as Iginla would be for anyone trading for him.

Gaustad is a secondary piece that you add, Iginla would be expected to be a much more valuable and important member of the team he goes to and would bring more to the table than Paul Gaustad.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

The Rusty Muskets era

2013 Calgary Flames: Shooting Blanks.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Locke

It sucked a bit more watching them develop into stars for other teams, but thems the breaks sometimes.



Thats a great name for it.

Pretty sure the era was officially christened when Cale Hulse was brought back bookending the futility.

[Roof-Daddy]

I can't believe somebody actually seriously just tried to coherently justify why Paul Gaustad would be worth as much as, or more than Iginla at the deadline.

Crazy talk.

[Poe969]

Well, if Iggy stays on the Flames he'll be worthless for the playoffs....

[FlamesAddiction]

Even rebuilding teams have veterans and older players on them. I can't think of any teams that rebuilt successfully without having some babysitters on them. The last thing you want is to have youth running wild without guys like Iginla (or a similar type of veteran) keeping them in check.

[HELPNEEDED]

Iggy stays, we make the playoffs, win the cup and finally re-sign him for 13/14 onwards.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by moon

Gaustad was a FA so if he was going to play several more years it certainly wasn't guaranteed for Nashville and doesn't really come into to play for his value at the deadline. His role on the team is nowhere near as important as Iginla would be for anyone trading for him.

Gaustad is a secondary piece that you add, Iginla would be expected to be a much more valuable and important member of the team he goes to and would bring more to the table than Paul Gaustad.

Ok, so what does Iginla in his current form bring to the table? I´m talking about the guy that has 3 goals in 17 games, not his past 30 goal seasons or HOF career. What does he give to a team right now?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Even rebuilding teams have veterans and older players on them. I can't think of any teams that rebuilt successfully without having some babysitters on them. The last thing you want is to have youth running wild without guys like Iginla (or a similar type of veteran) keeping them in check.

You need to trade your assets in order to rebuild, if they don't trade some combination of Iginla Kipper and JBo then there is no rebuild, just a slow death spiral to last place over the next 3 or 4 years followed by an equally slow climb back up.