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HighLifeMan · 02-22-2013, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cowtown75

Not sure what YOU offer with the posts you put out there- It's like you don't know anything and are proud of it. You don't think he adds toughness and grit ? actually, I don't even care to hear your answer, I know it's gonna be out there and something I can't stand.

Actually, I have absolutely no problem with what he said. For the most part I don't agree with what he has to say but at the same time he remains consistent in his views and in doing so creates discussion.

Akim Aliu has the ability to play a tough and gritty game, but those efforts come few and far between. He is incredibly inconsistent with his work ethic and tries far to hard to be a player that he is not ( a skill player ). Moon has every right to question a player that has 1 goal in 27 AHL games in addition to being a healthy scratch for half of the season. He is not a tough guy (as evidence by his two fights this season..by last count) but more of an agitator with discipline issues. He has the ability to hurt your team more than he can help it.

With that said I suppose there is still the possibility that he could carve out a career as a solid bottom six forward moving forward. I wouldn't count on it at this point, but hey I have been wrong before.

Vulcan · 02-22-2013, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I'm with you.

Te first page is mostly discussing how dumb it is to send down horak. It has since evolved to what can we expect from Aliu.

Fact is, flames sent down two centres and recalled a fourth line winger.

Unless backlund is coming back, they've stretched the gaping centre hole wide open.

The thing is Horak hasn't been playing centre in Abbotsford, so he isn't being groomed for that position, which is very strange since that is what we need. Following that thinking Ward will probably move Jones to defence.

devo22 · 02-22-2013, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

The thing is Horak hasn't been playing centre in Abbotsford, so he isn't being groomed for that position, which is very strange since that is what we need. Following that thinking Ward will probably move Jones to defence.

well, that happens if 8 of your 11 best scorers are listed as centers (LINK) - some guys will have to move to the wing.

Not happy at all with Horak going down again. Also, I would have rather seen Bancks for a cup of tea than Aliu.

cznTiburon · 02-22-2013, 05:55 AM

I think aliu in the minors this yeare believed he was more than what he is (see glencross with the flames this year) but bring him up with a sheltered well defined roll he will do everything in his power to show what he did last year in his games.. I think we can expect 2 real solid efforts from him and then he will drop off if he stays. I don't see this as more than a couple game stop until sven is healthy to bring in a young big body for the lower lines. I like this

moon · 02-22-2013, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cowtown75

What ? did I just read that ?.... wow. Guess you missed the couple of games he played last year stapling people to the boards etc.

I must have missed those games because in the two meaningless games I saw a guy that threw some hits but he certainly wasn't stapling people to the boards or doing anything close to deserving a call up this season.

And you must have missed the games last year where he was dropped from the Chicago organization altogether, had to play in the ECHL and was a healthy scratch in the AHL play-offs. Or how about this year where Heat posters have mentioned he has been inconsistent with his play and doesn't offer the toughness that you suggest he does.

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Originally Posted by cowtown75

Not sure what YOU offer with the posts you put out there- It's like you don't know anything and are proud of it. You don't think he adds toughness and grit ? actually, I don't even care to hear your answer, I know it's gonna be out there and something I can't stand.

If you have a problem with a poster it is best to either deal with it through PM's or with the mods. No need to clog up a thread like this with garbage posts like this that have nothing to do with the thread topic.

gargamel · 02-22-2013, 07:25 AM

I'm glad to see Aliu get called up in place of Jones. Jones just isn't good enough to contribute in a top 9 role or physical enough to be ideal on the 4th line, so I've never gotten the love for him. It seems like he gets a pass because people think of him as a young kid, but he was born the same year as Comeau. Even if there wasn't an off-the-ice incident there, sending him down is no big loss, and Aliu at least has the potential to mix things up.

I am disappointed to see Horak go down, though. He's clearly a victim of his contract situation, but we need to find a way to dump Babchuk to open up that roster spot.

Husky · 02-22-2013, 07:27 AM

Who cares if he is inconsistent...give him a shot. When hes playing well he brings a component this team lacks.

Heck, everyu player on the Flames in inconsistent to some extent. Iginla is treaky offensively, same with Glencross. I can go on and on and on. At least with a 4th line player being inconsistent for 5-7 minutes is less of an issue compared to 20 minutes of invisible play by a top 6 forward.

moon · 02-22-2013, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Husky

Who cares if he is inconsistent...give him a shot. When hes playing well he brings a component this team lacks.

Heck, everyu player on the Flames in inconsistent to some extent. Iginla is treaky offensively, same with Glencross. I can go on and on and on. At least with a 4th line player being inconsistent for 5-7 minutes is less of an issue compared to 20 minutes of invisible play by a top 6 forward.

Seriously?

Who cares if a guy plays so poorly that he is a scratch at the AHL level lets bring him up here anyways?

Iginla who is a future HOF is inconsistent some times so who cares if a guy that brings nothing to the table is inconsistent at the AHL level? What a solid way to build a team.

FlamesAddiction · 02-22-2013, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

Seriously?

Who cares if a guy plays so poorly that he is a scratch at the AHL level lets bring him up here anyways?

Iginla who is a future HOF is inconsistent some times so who cares if a guy that brings nothing to the table is inconsistent at the AHL level? What a solid way to build a team.

Well, we did the same with Irving.

I honestly get the feeling that Feaster is tanking the ship now. Call it what you want... auditioning youth, assessing assets, shaking things up... whatever you want to call it, this is a tried and true way of tanking and going for the draft pick.

flambers · 02-22-2013, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

Seriously?

Who cares if a guy plays so poorly that he is a scratch at the AHL level lets bring him up here anyways?

Iginla who is a future HOF is inconsistent some times so who cares if a guy that brings nothing to the table is inconsistent at the AHL level? What a solid way to build a team.

Flames are looking for a player who can play with Grit.... who else on the AHL team is a valid candidate? Aliu has size, he knows what his role is coming up to the team.

A player like Horak plays small....

gargamel · 02-22-2013, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

Who cares if a guy plays so poorly that he is a scratch at the AHL level lets bring him up here anyways?

Again, that's the exact logic that you used non-sarcastically to justify playing Irving over Taylor or Brust. Somehow, you always find a way to be negative.

Aliu showed last season that he has the potential to bring an element that has been missing from the Flames this season. If he does it again, that's great. If he doesn't, he'll get sent back down and we'll be no worse off than we were before. If any of the AHL guys are so mentally weak that they slack off because someone "less deserving" got called up, I don't see why you'd want them anywhere near the Flames roster anyway.

North East Goon · 02-22-2013, 07:49 AM

Meritocracy really isnt part of this organization at all.

hixxes · 02-22-2013, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by North East Goon

Meritocracy really isnt part of this organization at all.

I'm sure Bancks agrees.

moon · 02-22-2013, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by gargamel

Again, that's the exact logic that you used non-sarcastically to justify playing Irving over Taylor or Brust. Somehow, you always find a way to be negative.

Again, it wasn't what I used at all and goalies are in a completely different situation than players.

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Aliu showed last season that he has the potential to bring an element that has been missing from the Flames this season. If he does it again, that's great. If he doesn't, he'll get sent back down and we'll be no worse off than we were before. If any of the AHL guys are so mentally weak that they slack off because someone "less deserving" got called up, I don't see why you'd want them anywhere near the Flames roster anyway.

He showed the potential to be out of the AHL and hockey last year. He didn't show potential to be an NHL player at all.

I didn't say anything about mentally weak guys at all so not sure what your point is there.

Bertuzzied · 02-22-2013, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

The only people Akim Aliu is going to intimidate in a hockey rink are the baggage handlers. I guess if Hartley wants a jerk on the team, Aliu's about as good as you'll find in this franchise at being just that.

Why not? We need more jerks on this team. Fine you want to run our goalie and our butlersoft team does nothing about it? We run yours!

Stanley · 02-22-2013, 08:27 AM

So much overreaction, really...

We have a bunch of pussies on the ice, Aliu may not be the best "most deserving" player but I don't mind one bit having an a-hole on the ice with something to prove and a bit of a chip on his shoulders...

As for Jones and Horak, settle down it's not like Horak won't be back, he's a victim of his contract; I agree why not just pack Comeau's bags instead of Horak's but what ya gonna do, it sucks but it is what is it...Jones, well, I don't see what's so special about the guy other than the fact he's a center/takes faceoffs/hustles...

But yes, the center ice position is just brutal...

JayP · 02-22-2013, 08:37 AM

The whole "shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic" statement is bang on. At this point, you know the organization is pretty much out of answers. We've resorted to bringing up an incompetent player in the vain hope he "sparks" the team with his hustle. It's hilarious really.

But this whole situation is exactly why this ridiculous "rebuild on the fly" strategy doesn't work. It's pretty evident to everyone now that this team is lacking major pieces necessary for success, but we're caught in an impossible situation where Feaster can't trade away any assets to improve the team. So we get stuck with shuffling a bunch of crappy players and hoping something works.

saillias · 02-22-2013, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Why not? We need more jerks on this team. Fine you want to run our goalie and our butlersoft team does nothing about it? We run yours!

Yeah... Fans expect the Flames to be a team of nice guys and gentlemen now?

Nah, I wish we had more Keslers and Burrows and Lucics and E and P Kanes. Dicks, and effective players.

gargamel · 02-22-2013, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

I didn't say anything about mentally weak guys at all so not sure what your point is there.

That wasn't a shot at you. I was just explaining why I thought we'd be no worse off if Aliu comes up for a game or two and fails to deliver than we would be if he weren't called up at all, since some people seem to be concerned about hurt feelings among the Heat players.

moon · 02-22-2013, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by gargamel

That wasn't a shot at you. I was just explaining why I thought we'd be no worse off if Aliu comes up for a game or two and fails to deliver than we would be if he weren't called up at all, since some people seem to be concerned about hurt feelings among the Heat players.

I don't think hurt feelings should play into it either, but I also don't think you should spend all offseason talking about some BS meritocracy and then pull something like this.