Roman Cervenka

[Karl]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Stajan actually did good against the Sedin's Wednesday in his shifts against them. People may not want to admit it but Stajan is becoming a half decent third line center for the Flames and is really the only consistent faceoff guy on our team.

His lack of size is still an issue against the Thorton's and Getzlaf's but he is decent defensively.

Yeah. Even if he's still struggling offensively, I've seen an improvement in Stajan's game in his own zone throughout the first 3 games. Defensively he's playing a lot better right now and he's competing reasonably well consistently in puck battles.

His play he made against the Ducks Corey Perry is proof of that.

[SuperMatt18]

Stajan is competing much harder then his first couple seasons in Calgary.

I think in the past he pouted that he wasn't getting first line minutes like promised when Darryl signed him and his play was impacted.

The second half of last year and to start this season it looks like he is actually embracing that third line center role now and realizes that he really isn't a top 6 center in the NHL. If he continues to compete hard he will be an asset for the team this season.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Change of Heart

Ragin Stajan is going to pot 2 goals tomorrow night to show you different

lol hey he just might or even an assist. Who knows maybe Matt can speak a little bit of Czch.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

this team is shaping up like the Edmonton team of 2009-10 where going into the season they had too many 30 goal scorers.... Hemsky, Penner, Nilson, gagner, Cogliano, Horcoff, Moreau, pisanni, O'sullivan..... Schremp got crowded out of this high scoring lineup.


They finished in last ..... 12 points behind 29th place.

Thanks - I actually laughed out loud

Now, to fix your post, here is the highest goal total for each player:

Hemsky 23
Horcoff 22
O'Sullivan 22
Moreau 20
Gagner 18
Cogliano 18
Pisani 18
Nilson 11

Penner got 31 the year you referred to, but had never had 30 up to that point.

The reason this lineup sucked was because NONE of their nine 30 goal scorers had ever actually gotten 30 goals up to that point, and only one of those 9 have managed the feat in their entire careers since - and he did it once.

Thank you for this awesome post!

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Thanks - I actually laughed out loud

Now, to fix your post, here is the highest goal total for each player:

Hemsky 23
Horcoff 22
O'Sullivan 22
Moreau 20
Gagner 18
Cogliano 18
Pisani 18
Nilson 11

Penner got 31 the year you referred to, but had never had 30 up to that point.

The reason this lineup sucked was because NONE of their nine 30 goal scorers had ever actually gotten 30 goals up to that point, and only one of those 9 have managed the feat in their entire careers since - and he did it once.

Thank you for this awesome post!

The point I was trying for (and apparently missed) was the false optimism generated by having a bunch of 3rd line scorers. A lot of the press were calling for the Oilers tomake the playoffs that year based on their late season rally and scoring depth.


This thread was going on about how many good player the Flames have and that they have so many scorers that they can basically roll 4 scoring lines and there is no room for checkers.

How does this years Flames line-up differ that drastically than the oilers in 2009?

Iginla and Cammalleri are the only Flames forwards to actual get 30 goals in a year. Yet there is no room to play Jones, Begin Comeau and jackman.

[JazzyFlame]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The point I was trying for (and apparently missed) was the false optimism generated by having a bunch of 3rd line scorers. A lot of the press were calling for the Oilers tomake the playoffs that year based on their late season rally and scoring depth.


This thread was going on about how many good player the Flames have and that they have so many scorers that they can basically roll 4 scoring lines and there is no room for checkers.

How does this years Flames line-up differ that drastically than the oilers in 2009?

Iginla and Cammalleri are the only Flames forwards to actual get 30 goals in a year. Yet there is no room to play Jones, Begin Comeau and jackman.

Lest we forget score faces 26 in 67

[Alberta_Beef]

did I correctly read it was Stajan centering Cervenka & Hudler in practice? I actually quite like that possibility. Hudler is most definitely more of a finisher and looking at Cervenka's career numbers he appears to be someone who can do both shoot and pass, then Stajan is primarily a playmaker. Plus with Srajan's defensive play and faceoff ability it will make the line much more defensively sound and give them puck control more often.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The point I was trying for (and apparently missed) was the false optimism generated by having a bunch of 3rd line scorers. A lot of the press were calling for the Oilers tomake the playoffs that year based on their late season rally and scoring depth.


This thread was going on about how many good player the Flames have and that they have so many scorers that they can basically roll 4 scoring lines and there is no room for checkers.

How does this years Flames line-up differ that drastically than the oilers in 2009?

Iginla and Cammalleri are the only Flames forwards to actual get 30 goals in a year. Yet there is no room to play Jones, Begin Comeau and jackman.

Well I agree that you need a 4th line that can add grit and energy, but I think msot people are saying 3 scoring lines, not 4, which I have no problem with at all.

[868904]

Flames desperately need some good news at the NHL level, need something good to happen to this franchise. Cervenka needs to pan out!

It's just been failure after failure since 2004.

Even the spark that was Baerstchi is fading with the typical rookie growing pains.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The third line is supposed to be able to go up against the other teams top line and not poop the bed.

What is the Flames checking line?

It's not like there must be that big mean 3rd line that does not but shutdown top lines and pot a goal here or there. With what we have in our lineup, if the players can stick to Hartley's philosophy, stay in the offensive zone, that's just as good as having a shutdown line.


Problem of course is the consistency from period to period doing so.

Sent from the Prime

[puckluck2]

Thought Cervenka looked pretty comfortable out there as the game went on.

Him and Hudler have tremendous patience on the pp on the half wall which IMO is the number one thing out pp has been missing for a while.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by Iginla

Thought Cervenka looked pretty comfortable out there as the game went on.

Him and Hudler have tremendous patience on the pp on the half wall which IMO is the number one thing out pp has been missing for a while.

All this without a whole lot of practice together, or at all lately! They've got four days without a game now to learn and practice "the system".

I am so exited to see these two together over the next few games!

[Diverce]

For someone that hasn't played since November he looked great.

Think the play that did it for me, which probably went un noticed was on the pp, just before Stemps goal. When Hudler fired it to Bouw, Cervenka lifted the guys stick covering the seam so the puck could get to Bouw. After that I was sold on this guy, hockey sense and vision is top notch.

I think having Hudler for a few more years means we are going to get Cervenka for a few more year too.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Diverce

For someone that hasn't played since November he looked great.

Think the play that did it for me, which probably went un noticed was on the pp, just before Stemps goal. When Hudler fired it to Bouw, Cervenka lifted the guys stick covering the seam so the puck could get to Bouw. After that I was sold on this guy, hockey sense and vision is top notch.

I think having Hudler for a few more years means we are going to get Cervenka for a few more year too.

Certainly hope so. Good chemistry out there between the two. Stajan fits nicely there as well. Been able to get the puck out of the corners and get those two the puck.

[Itse]

Stajan has turned out to be a solid defensive center and based on the way he plays I'm guessing he's a good guy to ask about the fine print on our system. I'm guessing that makes him a much better linemate for Hudler and Cervenka at this point than for example Baertchi would.

Putting together three guys who combine for about 10 games in Flames uniform as linemates propably would not have been the best idea, especially with a shortened training camp, a short season and two of the players not being able to practice fully.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Itse

Stajan has turned out to be a solid defensive center and based on the way he plays I'm guessing he's a good guy to ask about the fine print on our system. I'm guessing that makes him a much better linemate for Hudler and Cervenka at this point than for example Baertchi would.

Putting together three guys who combine for about 10 games in Flames uniform as linemates propably would not have been the best idea, especially with a shortened training camp, a short season and two of the players not being able to practice fully.

I hope that line sticks together quite a bit longer, how many times last season did we see Stajan make a pass from behind the net only to have Jackman or Kostopolous or Bouma just whiff or take a feeble shot. Having 2 guys that have a decent release and some semblance of hockey sense is only going to help Stajan as well.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I hope that line sticks together quite a bit longer, how many times last season did we see Stajan make a pass from behind the net only to have Jackman or Kostopolous or Bouma just whiff or take a feeble shot. Having 2 guys that have a decent release and some semblance of hockey sense is only going to help Stajan as well.

This again points out Stajans ability to play well when supported by skilled players. He showed it last year with his cup of coffee on the top line and looked quite comfortable being the main forechecking presence last night on the third line.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by dammage79

This again points out Stajans ability to play well when supported by skilled players. He showed it last year with his cup of coffee on the top line and looked quite comfortable being the main forechecking presence last night on the third line.

he really did and he has been able to do it fairly consistently too since he was finally getting some ice time at the end of last season.

[Anduril]

Woah guys. Let's not carried away here. Clearly Stajan is just raising our expectations then crush it, so that he can further establish his reputation as a sub NHL player.
/s

[blankall]

Originally Posted by 868904

Flames desperately need some good news at the NHL level, need something good to happen to this franchise. Cervenka needs to pan out!

It's just been failure after failure since 2004.

Even the spark that was Baerstchi is fading with the typical rookie growing pains.

Please find something better to do with your time than posting here.