Notre Dame's Manti Te'o Involved In Major Hoax

[moon]

Its still baffling to me that after he knew it was a hoax he still went to interviews and talked about her death.

He may not have been in on it from the start but he was still enough of a scumbag to try and milk it for his own gain after knowing that it was all BS.

Not only is this guy a complete moron for falling for this in the first place but he is a scumbag for keeping the lie going after knowing what the truth was. A truth he likely knew about long before the Dec. 6th date he claims he found out.

[Stay Golden]

Didn't see Couric's interview i heard she asked Te'o if he was homosexual is that true?
What did he say?
Also this Ronaiah dude i am baffled what was he trying get out of this whole fake thing?
Guy seems like he is quite a disturbed person maybe a split personality or something.
I don't think he was doing this just for a ongoing laugh.

This is one of the weirdest stories i can remember involving an athlete.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Didn't see Couric's interview i heard she asked Te'o if he was homosexual is that true?
What did he say?
Also this Ronaiah dude i am baffled what was he trying get out of this whole fake thing?
Guy seems like he is quite a disturbed person maybe a split personality or something.
I don't think he was doing this just for a ongoing laugh.

This is one of the weirdest stories i can remember involving an athlete.

"FAR FROM IT! FAR FROM IT!!" was his response to whether he was gay. I can't really fault him if he was making up a girlfriend to hide his sexuality. He probably could have done it without making up the dying of cancer part though.

[nik-]

phone records would shine a whole new light on this thing.

[Minnie]

I follow this guy on FB - his twitter feed shows up on his FB page. He always makes me laugh.

pourmecoffee: Taylor Swift must end up with Manti Te'o and inspire her next album: REAL.

[IceMan]

Originally Posted by valo403

Everything that has come out in the past week or so has been carefully calculated by Teo and his PR people, right down to doing his only on camera interview with Couric, who just happens to be represented by the same PR person. So forgive me if I'm not the sucker you are.

Also, what's with the 'my buddy Manti tone? Are you friends with him? Perhaps online?

There's no buddy tone at all. I'm just supporting a student athlete who I've followed and cheered for his entire career at ND. I have yet to hear any facts starting that Manti was indeed involved in this in any way shape or form. So why wouldn't I support him? That doesn't make me a sucker. Unfortunately, the only sucker here is Manti.

Also, what does Manti have to gain by doing all these on camera interviews and press conferences? Nothing. They have let the story play itself out and let the facts speak in favor of Manti which it has.

Although It won't matter what new evidence comes out or what Manti says because people are content to bury their heads in the sand and believe whatever they want to believe. They keep telling themselves that there is no way Manti wasn't involved in this because nobody can be that naive or how can you have a strictly online relationship with someone you've never met bla bla bla. All of which proves absolutely nothing regarding Manti being involved somehow.

However, I've come to the realization that people only want the truth they are looking for. If they don't get it, then it's all a big conspiracy. Hence the now he's gay comments that are all coming out .

[IceMan]

Originally Posted by nik-

phone records would shine a whole new light on this thing.

Over 110 Calls Between Manti Te'o And Lennay Kekua Lasted For More Than An Hour

[HOOT]

In the end he still lied, involved or not.

[IceMan]

Originally Posted by moon

Its still baffling to me that after he knew it was a hoax he still went to interviews and talked about her death.

He may not have been in on it from the start but he was still enough of a scumbag to try and milk it for his own gain after knowing that it was all BS.

Not only is this guy a complete moron for falling for this in the first place but he is a scumbag for keeping the lie going after knowing what the truth was. A truth he likely knew about long before the Dec. 6th date he claims he found out.

No the real scumbag is Tuiasosopo for what he's done to not only Manti, but countless others as well. Karma's a bitch and he'll get what he deserves.

Apparently Te'o got the call from Lennay Kekua on Dec 6th stating she was alive. She made up some story that she was being chased by drug dealers so had to fake her death. Manti was obviously in utter shock and didn't know how to respond. He didn't know what was going on. He then talked about her 2 days later stating she was dead.

Manti does admit it was wrong to lie but he said honestly, at the time, I didn't know if she was still alive or dead. He had no clue what was happening and was scared to tell anyone. He then told his parents on Christmas Day and the Notre Dame staff on Dec 26th.

ND, Manti and his family were going to come out with the story right after the NCG but the deadspin article broke it first. Imo, this could've been mostly avoided if ND broke the story first but just waited too long, hence all the speculation and accusations regarding Manti's involvement.

I'm not going call Manti a scumbag. Naive? Too trustworthy? Gullible? Sure, but by no means is he a scumbag.

Here is a guy who done right is whole life. Graduated at ND in 3.5 years, played MLB at a high level under the intense microscope that is ND.

All he did was make one mistake that any one of us would probably make and is being vilified for it.

30 felonies on 25 players at Florida in the past 7 years, all the sanctions on PSU, OSU, Oregon, USC, Miami and others. Kobe rapes a woman, Big Ben rapes 3 and Ray Lewis can be an accomplice to murder, but lets beat on the Mormon kid because he got duped on the internet and afterwards, was scared to tell anyone because he felt embarrassed about his situation.

Originally Posted by moon

A truth he likely knew about long before the Dec. 6th date he claims he found out.

This is purely speculation. No where has it stated that Te'o knew about this prior to Dec 6th.

[moon]

Originally Posted by IceMan xMVPx

No the real scumbag is Tuiasosopo for what he's done to not only Manti, but countless others as well. Karma's a bitch and he'll get what he deserves.

I think it is possible they can both be scumbags. Tuiasopo for starting the prank Te'o for continuing to use it to his advantage when he knew it was false.

Apparently Te'o got the call from Lennay Kekua on Dec 6th stating she was alive. She made up some story that she was being chased by drug dealers so had to fake her death. Manti was obviously in utter shock and didn't know how to respond. He didn't know what was going on. He then talked about her 2 days later stating she was dead.

This sounds like an incredibly weak story and "obviously in shock" I guess to someone trying to come up with excuses for him it might seem obvious.

Manti does admit it was wrong to lie but he said honestly, at the time, I didn't know if she was still alive or dead. He had no clue what was happening and was scared to tell anyone. He then told his parents on Christmas Day and the Notre Dame staff on Dec 26th.

Seems like some nice covering of the tracks after he realized he was busted.

ND, Manti and his family were going to come out with the story right after the NCG but the deadspin article broke it first. Imo, this could've been mostly avoided if ND broke the story first but just waited too long, hence all the speculation and accusations regarding Manti's involvement.

I am sure they were. I outside of their actions prior to this why wouldn't we believe more of their lies?

All he did was make one mistake that any one of us would probably make and is being vilified for it.

He lied multiple times so it wasn't one mistake and I would doubt that most people on here would come close to making that mistake and certainly not for so long.

30 felonies on 25 players at Florida in the past 7 years, all the sanctions on PSU, OSU, Oregon, USC, Miami and others. Kobe rapes a woman, Big Ben rapes 3 and Ray Lewis can be an accomplice to murder, but lets beat on the Mormon kid because he got duped on the internet and afterwards, was scared to tell anyone because he felt embarrassed about his situation.

Are you saying these people don't get vilified for this stuff?

This is purely speculation. No where has it stated that Te'o knew about this prior to Dec 6th.

Just going off reports I have read from reputable sources.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by IceMan xMVPx

Over 110 Calls Between Manti Te'o And Lennay Kekua Lasted For More Than An Hour

A spreadsheet of phone calls is proof of what exactly?

Not to mention, records of long phone calls do nothing to dispel the gay affair theory, which has to be the most plausible at this point.

The problem is that once you come out as a liar, it is tough to convince people you are telling the truth about other stuff.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by IceMan xMVPx

No the real scumbag is Tuiasosopo for what he's done to not only Manti, but countless others as well. Karma's a bitch and he'll get what he deserves.

Apparently Te'o got the call from Lennay Kekua on Dec 6th stating she was alive. She made up some story that she was being chased by drug dealers so had to fake her death. Manti was obviously in utter shock and didn't know how to respond. He didn't know what was going on. He then talked about her 2 days later stating she was dead.

Manti does admit it was wrong to lie but he said honestly, at the time, I didn't know if she was still alive or dead. He had no clue what was happening and was scared to tell anyone. He then told his parents on Christmas Day and the Notre Dame staff on Dec 26th.

ND, Manti and his family were going to come out with the story right after the NCG but the deadspin article broke it first. Imo, this could've been mostly avoided if ND broke the story first but just waited too long, hence all the speculation and accusations regarding Manti's involvement.

I'm not going call Manti a scumbag. Naive? Too trustworthy? Gullible? Sure, but by no means is he a scumbag.

Here is a guy who done right is whole life. Graduated at ND in 3.5 years, played MLB at a high level under the intense microscope that is ND.

All he did was make one mistake that any one of us would probably make and is being vilified for it.

30 felonies on 25 players at Florida in the past 7 years, all the sanctions on PSU, OSU, Oregon, USC, Miami and others. Kobe rapes a woman, Big Ben rapes 3 and Ray Lewis can be an accomplice to murder, but lets beat on the Mormon kid because he got duped on the internet and afterwards, was scared to tell anyone because he felt embarrassed about his situation.


This is purely speculation. No where has it stated that Te'o knew about this prior to Dec 6th.

The highlighted portion also applies to everything you just said. You keep acting like the narrative controlled by Teo is 100% fact, when the reality is you have no idea. Every time a new issue is comes up the story changes to suit it, I don't buy a word of it.

[IceMan]

Originally Posted by valo403

The highlighted portion also applies to everything you just said. You keep acting like the narrative controlled by Teo is 100% fact, when the reality is you have no idea. Every time a new issue is comes up the story changes to suit it, I don't buy a word of it.

You're absolutely right, I don't know if it's fact or not. All I'm doing is going off all the evidence that's come out and it's pretty telling to me that Te'o wasn't involved in this whatsoever. I've found nothing that tells me that he was in on this hoax.

However, If you talk to somebody who thinks Te'o was involved and ask them to provide you with any evidence to support their claims, all they tell you is well, it's impossible to have a relationship with someone strictly online without ever meeting them. Or how could someone be that gullible and naive. Or he did it because he wanted to get Heisman votes (even though it was during the 3rd week of the season and nobody could've predicted the type of season the Irish would have).

Regardless, nobody can ever give any evidence claiming that he was in on this from the beginning. It's all specualtion, hence the gay angle being played now. First he was in on the hoax and then after the evidence came out saying he wasn't and this Tuiasosopo guy said he was playing him the whole time, now Manti must be gay.

Look, I know I'm a ND fan and a big fan of Te'o of not only what he's done on the field but off the field especially. The guy is just a good human being. But honestly though, I could care less who it was. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty. It seemed like as soon as this story became public, everybody was so quick to slam this kid and say that yup, there's no doubt he was in on it instead of waiting for all the evidence to come out.

I don't know, I guess we'll all agree to disagree. I'm just going to let the story keep playing out and we'll see what happens in the end.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by IceMan xMVPx

You're absolutely right, I don't know if it's fact or not. All I'm doing is going off all the evidence that's come out and it's pretty telling to me that Te'o wasn't involved in this whatsoever. I've found nothing that tells me that he was in on this hoax.

However, If you talk to somebody who thinks Te'o was involved and ask them to provide you with any evidence to support their claims, all they tell you is well, it's impossible to have a relationship with someone strictly online without ever meeting them. Or how could someone be that gullible and naive. Or he did it because he wanted to get Heisman votes (even though it was during the 3rd week of the season and nobody could've predicted the type of season the Irish would have).

Regardless, nobody can ever give any evidence claiming that he was in on this from the beginning. It's all specualtion, hence the gay angle being played now. First he was in on the hoax and then after the evidence came out saying he wasn't and this Tuiasosopo guy said he was playing him the whole time, now Manti must be gay.

Look, I know I'm a ND fan and a big fan of Te'o of not only what he's done on the field but off the field especially. The guy is just a good human being. But honestly though, I could care less who it was. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty. It seemed like as soon as this story became public, everybody was so quick to slam this kid and say that yup, there's no doubt he was in on it instead of waiting for all the evidence to come out.

I don't know, I guess we'll all agree to disagree. I'm just going to let the story keep playing out and we'll see what happens in the end.

What evidence? The narrative that's coming exclusively from Teo's camp? Yeah, no credibility issues there at all. Not to mention the fact that the 'evidence' changes to suit any critique of it.

I don't really understand the bolded portion. I don't think he's a bad human being, but you're once again talking like you and Manti go for milkshakes on sunday afternoons and talk about your good deeds. You don't know him.

[AR_Six]

Originally Posted by IceMan xMVPx

because people are content to bury their heads in the sand and believe whatever they want to believe.

Irony FTW!

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by IceMan xMVPx

I guess we'll all agree to disagree.

Or not.

[IceMan]

Originally Posted by valo403

I don't really understand the bolded portion. I don't think he's a bad human being, but you're once again talking like you and Manti go for milkshakes on sunday afternoons and talk about your good deeds. You don't know him.

Again, I never said I knew him. Stop insinuating the fact that were buddy buddy every time I say something good about him, it's getting old. All I'm doing is supporting the guy and giving the evidence as to why I do.

I also never said that you thought that he was bad. The reason I brought up the good human being part is because you would never know it based on how the media has portrayed this kid to be some criminal.

Any yes, even though I don't know him personally, the people that do know him and are around him everyday say he is. When the coaches, teammates and student body can't stop talking about him and what a tremendous person he is off the field that speaks volumes to me. One small example is the fact that he makes it a chore to learn all the walk on players names.

Te'o comes from a great family with great morals and strong faith who always puts others before him. Again don't blast me, were not besty's or anything. I'm just going off what people around him say and from I've seen with the way he carries himself.

[IceMan]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

Irony FTW!

I'm going off the evidence and all the facts that have come out since the story broke. What are you going off of?

The fact that this story has cooled down and a lot of people don't care about it anymore is because their initial thought about Manti being involved in this hoax and making it all up has been discredited.

So now all the conspiracy theorists out there are trying to come up with new ridiculous story to fill their heads. "Well, he might not have been in on it but he's got to be gay".

[valo403]

Originally Posted by IceMan xMVPx

Again, I never said I knew him. Stop insinuating the fact that were buddy buddy every time I say something good about him, it's getting old. All I'm doing is supporting the guy and giving the evidence as to why I do.

I also never said that you thought that he was bad. The reason I brought up the good human being part is because you would never know it based on how the media has portrayed this kid to be some criminal.

Any yes, even though I don't know him personally, the people that do know him and are around him everyday say he is. When the coaches, teammates and student body can't stop talking about him and what a tremendous person he is off the field that speaks volumes to me. One small example is the fact that he makes it a chore to learn all the walk on players names.

Te'o comes from a great family with great morals and strong faith who always puts others before him. Again don't blast me, were not besty's or anything. I'm just going off what people around him say and from I've seen with the way he carries himself.

Again, you are talking as if you know him. If you want me to stop insinuating that you think you know the guy stop talking as if you do. You don't know his family, you don't know his morals. I expect that you share his faith, so you think you do, but the fact is you do not.

And the media hasn't portrayed him as anything, the media has asked reasonable questions of someone who played up a story that turned out to be false. In fact, the media outside of Deadspin hasn't even taken him to task over the inconsistencies and constantly changing positions, they've been content to just swallow the story fed to them from Teo's PR camp.

Btw, learning your teammates names is not an accomplishment. You're with them 40 hours a week, I'd hope you'd figure it out, particularly at a place like ND where the student body is small and everyone lives on campus.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by IceMan xMVPx

I'm going off the evidence and all the facts that have come out since the story broke. What are you going off of?

The fact that this story has cooled down and a lot of people don't care about it anymore is because their initial thought about Manti being involved in this hoax and making it all up has been discredited.

So now all the conspiracy theorists out there are trying to come up with new ridiculous story to fill their heads. "Well, he might not have been in on it but he's got to be gay".

Evidence and facts? First, let's see them. Second, let's see some that aren't directly from Teo and his PR team.

I don't really care what the guys involvement was, but you accusing people of burying their heads is laughable.