Quebec is headed for independence, Michael Ignatieff tells the BBC

[CaptainCrunch]

Yeah, I get that too Resolute, I guess my statement is more around hypothetical fun discussion then anything else.

Even Harper is more Ontario boy then anything else and tends to ignore Western issues more often then not.

[OffsideSpecialist]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Yeah, I get that too Resolute, I guess my statement is more around hypothetical fun discussion then anything else.

Even Harper is more Ontario boy then anything else and tends to ignore Western issues more often then not.

I don't know if I would say that. He knows he needs to work to get support in Ontario to win; much of his Western support is almost guaranteed.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Maybe, but if a Prime Minister went soft on Quebec and rubber stamped it, it would have dire consequences on the Canadian economy.

At that point we would have to have a Prime Minister that would act in the remaining Canada first and not give a crap about Quebec.

If Canada doesn't get payment on Quebec's share of the national debt, negotiate the hand over of federal properties, ensure the security of Canadian water ways and ensure the integrity of Canadian territories, Canada would take a monstrous hit.

while in theory you could threaten all kinds of vile things. The biggest carrot for Quebec is an entry into NAFTA, something that can't happen without Canadian approval.

I've read that the negotiated fair share in theory of Canada's national debt is anywhere from 20 to 25%.

The interesting thing is if lets say down the road Quebec holds a referendum and decides to leave and the Prime Minister is from Quebec, does he have to resign his position due to a massive conflict of interest?

Could be scary for Canada, IMHO, if all this went down and this guy was Prime Minister.



Not sure I'd like to have the fate of Canada left in this Quebec boy's hands..

[CaptainCrunch]

Not getting drawn into debates about that guy

Sorry

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I wasn't disagreeing with you. I posted that to support your point and back it up with a citation for the benefit of other people reading the thread.

Cool, wasn't sure. It's hard with text sometimes. I wasn't sure either, and my example was more to others than you.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Could be scary for Canada, IMHO, if all this went down and this guy was Prime Minister.



Not sure I'd like to have the fate of Canada left in this Quebec boy's hands..

Really, your leaving one pic as evidence as a politician or a leader?

This is so far beyond the point of legitimate discussion I know you are the person you brought it up.

One, all of us have these pictures, most of us worse, so I don't get the point.

Two, it's the camera age. EVERYONE at a certain age has these pics now.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Trudeau booster by any means. I think he was the wrong choice for leader of the Liberal Party. I think he does need more experience. I really don't want to vote for the guy.

But I'm faced with a guy who has shut down Canadian science, especially climate science which finally 71% of Canada agrees with and even 51% of Americans. I'm faced with a guy who said he would open up government, but instead shut it down, especially reporters he didn't like. Has numourous senate and appointment scandal. IS JUST NOW pushing through an undemocratic voting act.

A guy I voted for three times already.

I don't like Trudeau, but that picture drive by is exactly why I don't like dogmatic conservatives more.

I expect this of you Rerun. The exact Sun Media sidehow that has nothing to do with anything. The whiny 'Oh! CBC hates us and you never see them attack Liberal candidates. Frig, they've been attacking Trudeau all week!'

I am glad the conservatives here have more sense. You may be the new Calgaryborn.

[Daradon]

Roosevelt was a notorious boxer, strong man. He lost sight in one eye from fighting. Yet he's one of America's greatest presidents.

If you wanna debate, fine. I like it, and there are lots of reasons to dislike Trudeau and the Liberals. But if you are going to participate in a grown mans debate, let's not lower it to Sun Media tactics. Picture slam. OMG.

I want to say you're better than this, but I haven't seen it yet.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Really, your leaving one pic as evidence as a politician or a leader?

This is so far beyond the point of legitimate discussion I know you are the person you brought it up.

One, all of us have these pictures, most of us worse, so I don't get the point.

Two, it's the camera age. EVERYONE at a certain age has these pics now.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Trudeau booster by any means. I think he was the wrong choice for leader of the Liberal Party. I think he does need more experience. I really don't want to vote for the guy.

But I'm faced with a guy who has shut down Canadian science, especially climate science which finally 71% of Canada agrees with and even 51% of Americans. I'm faced with a guy who said he would open up government, but instead shut it down, especially reporters he didn't like. Has numourous senate and appointment scandal. IS JUST NOW pushing through an undemocratic voting act.

A guy I voted for three times already.

I don't like Trudeau, but that picture drive by is exactly why I don't like dogmatic conservatives more.

I expect this of you Rerun. The exact Sun Media sidehow that has nothing to do with anything. The whiny 'Oh! CBC hates us and you never see them attack Liberal candidates. Frig, they've been attacking Trudeau all week!'

I am glad the conservatives here have more sense. You may be the new Calgaryborn.

You might have a point if this was a candid pic taken at a moment when he wasn't expecting it, and inadvertently showed him in a unflattering moment.

It wasn't. This was a posed pic taken at a photo op.... which truly shows the lack of judgement (one of many) that this aspiring PM has.

I went on-line to find just a normal pic of JT... and low and behold this one popped up... and I said to myself : What a doofus this guy is!

Do really want this guy as PM of Canada if Quebec decides to separate? This is a guy who has expressed sympathy for the separate cause in the past, shows frequent lapses of judgement and good sense, and is from and elected by, the same province that wants to quit Canada. And as a matter of fact, if Quebec did separate, he would be a PM who was without a riding as would be half of his party.... imagine that.. Canadian MP's who's ridings were no longer part of Canada.... what would they be? Freelance MP's?

Electing this guy with a possible future referendum in the wind would be like leaving the candy store unlocked and unattended with as sign saying "Help yourself. Take what you want". This is not the guy you would want at the helm that you would want to play hard ball with Marios.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Roosevelt was a notorious boxer, strong man. He lost sight in one eye from fighting. Yet he's one of America's greatest presidents.

If you wanna debate, fine. I like it, and there are lots of reasons to dislike Trudeau and the Liberals. But if you are going to participate in a grown mans debate, let's not lower it to Sun Media tactics. Picture slam. OMG.

I want to say you're better than this, but I haven't seen it yet.

Keep in mind too that it was for charity (cancer research) and he was challenged (by a Conservative). If he had turned it down, the same people bashing him now, would still be bashing him for turning it down. They'd either be calling him a wimp for chickening out, or too self-absorbed about his image to participate in charity events.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Rerun

You might have a point if this was a candid pic taken at a moment when he wasn't expecting it, and inadvertently showed him in a unflattering moment.

It wasn't. This was a posed pic taken at a photo op.... which truly shows the lack of judgement (one of many) that this aspiring PM has.

I went on-line to find just a normal pic of JT... and low and behold this one popped up... and I said to myself : What a doofus this guy is!

I don't understand what the problem is with the photo. Was he having too much fun? It was a charity boxing match that he was asked to be part of. This is what they do at boxing weigh-ins. I find nothing wrong with him immersing himself in the roll.

Really, how is that different than this:

Spoiler!

Do you think that was a photo op or just a random shot? I love the strategically placed electric guitar. IMO, this type of photo op is more of a duffus move.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The PQ continues digging its own grave

For many months before, and now during, Quebec’s ongoing provincial election campaign, the governing Parti Québécois has been coy about what, exactly, would happen to public-sector workers who chose to continue wearing ”ostentatious” religious garb or symbols while on the job. The practice, which would be banned under the PQ’s proposed secularism charter, would not impact a huge number of people. But the party’s refusal to say how they envisioned them being affected raised many questions.

Consider them answered. In the final days of campaigning ahead of Monday’s vote, the PQ has finally acknowledged what critics of the charter had always insisted was the case: Any member of the civil service, be it a brain surgeon or filing clerk, would be fired if he or she insisted on wearing a veil, kippa or turban at work. The firings would not be immediate, as the charter would be phased in over time, giving religious Quebecers time to voluntarily — if that’s the word — leave the public service or reassess the essentialness of their offending garment or symbol. But for those who refused to alter their dress to conform to the PQ’s standard of secularism, termination is where that process would ultimately end.

Having been forced to admit what her party’s plan would actually entail, Premier Pauline Marois tried to put a positive spin on it. This week, she suggested the government would assist any civil servant fired under the charter in finding a new job in the private sector. “We believe it is possible to find pathways to steer these people to other jobs that match their skills, because [the charter] does not touch the private sector,” Ms. Marois told a Montreal radio station.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...q-comes-clean/

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Rerun

It wasn't. This was a posed pic taken at a photo op.... which truly shows the lack of judgement (one of many) that this aspiring PM has.

I know it's fun to say "he shows a lack of judgement", but can you explain that?

Should he not have his shirt off? Should he have shorter hair? Should he not have been there in the first place? Should he have a more Prime Ministerial look on his face at the charity boxing match?

Would should he have done that would have shown a non-lack of judgement?

[zamler]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I know it's fun to say "he shows a lack of judgement", but can you explain that?

Should he not have his shirt off? Should he have shorter hair? Should he not have been there in the first place? Should he have a more Prime Ministerial look on his face at the charity boxing match?

He could stop coming across as an arrogant entitled doosh that would be just fine with Quebec separating. That would be a good start.

As for Ignatieff, is he ever right about anything?

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Roosevelt was a notorious boxer, strong man. He lost sight in one eye from fighting. Yet he's one of America's greatest presidents.

If you wanna debate, fine. I like it, and there are lots of reasons to dislike Trudeau and the Liberals. But if you are going to participate in a grown mans debate, let's not lower it to Sun Media tactics. Picture slam. OMG.

I want to say you're better than this, but I haven't seen it yet.

You toss around "Sun Media" as an insult a fair bit. While their style is not for everyone, they deserve credit for a number of their investigations. The financial scandal of Attawapaskat comes to mind.

If you want to raise the quality of debate, start by choosing better discussion points without insults.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

You toss around "Sun Media" as an insult a fair bit. While their style is not for everyone, they deserve credit for a number of their investigations. The financial scandal of Attawapaskat comes to mind.

If you want to raise the quality of debate, start by choosing better discussion points and lose the insults.

The Sun is marginally above the New York Post, itself considered a total piss rag. It's cool to enjoy the Sun for what it is (i.e. a joke), but if you take it seriously as an actual news source, well, not so good.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I know it's fun to say "he shows a lack of judgement", but can you explain that?

Should he not have his shirt off? Should he have shorter hair? Should he not have been there in the first place? Should he have a more Prime Ministerial look on his face at the charity boxing match?

Would should he have done that would have shown a non-lack of judgement?

The lack of judgement is in participating in this event at all. This guy wants to be the Prime Minister of Canada. Just because it was for charity doesn't make it any more acceptable for the "PM in waiting" to participate in. If there was a Charity mud wrestling event would that be an acceptable event for one who dreams and aspires (in the near future) to be PM of Canada?
When you want to be PM, where do you draw the line between good fun and looking like a buffoon?

I want Canada's PM to be respected.... not laughed at behind his or her back.

[killer_carlson]

Not saying it is for everyone, but not all of their stuff is tabloid.

Their effectiveness as a media outlet is to push populist opinions onto the political plate. Occasionally they come up with a strong investigative story as well - Attawapaskat is one example.

I don't want to derail the thread into a Sun Media debate. However, I don't think it's appropriate to use their name as a derogatory term, thereby implying that there is never any value to their product.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The PQ continues digging its own grave

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...q-comes-clean/

So, would they be able to fire someone for wearing a tiny crucifix and chain around there necks... as many people do? Or Star of David, or whatever?

I assume that under this law if someone wore a swastika on a chain around their neck, that would be ok since its not a religious symbol?

[Troubamaker]

Originally Posted by Rerun

The lack of judgement is in participating in this event at all. This guy wants to be the Prime Minister of Canada. Just because it was for charity doesn't make it any more acceptable for the "PM in waiting" to participate in. If there was a Charity mud wrestling event would that be an acceptable event for one who dreams and aspires (in the near future) to be PM of Canada?
When you want to be PM, where do you draw the line between good fun and looking like a buffoon?

I want Canada's PM to be respected.... not laughed at behind his or her back.

I don't think anyone here would laugh behind Harper's back with this picture.



Not only did Trudeau do the boxing match for charity, he beat the crap out of Brazeau.

[Burke Salad]

If anybody knows the pulse of Canada, it would be Michael Ignatieff!