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Old 06-10-2012, 11:36 PM   #201
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Prometheus's Fire, Alien Gods and Pandora’s box of tricks
http://throughancienteyes.blogspot.c...eus-movie.html

"In the recent movie Prometheus directed and produced by the 'father of film' Ridley Scott we find many connections to literature and common themes that talk of 'creator gods' descending to Earth in the ancient world. There are also many other connections to symbolism that far extend beyond a typical ‘prequel’ and carries much validity to some of the themes relating to 'reality', not just 'science fiction'."
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:06 AM   #202
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My very stripped down and simplistic review in comparison to most in this thread. Some of you guys are hardcore.

Enjoyed the movie. I thought is visually stunning. Absolutely stunning. I hate 3D, but I loved it here. It didn't look cheap, and it actually added to the experience of the movie.

Story was solid, but could have been a little deeper. Something just seemed a bit off, but I can't put my finger on it.

Performaces were good, Fassbender stole the show, but Rapace and Theron more than held their own in their scenes.

Just enough suspense to keep the thrills memorable. 7/10.
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:14 AM   #203
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Like what was said before, nearly all sci-to movies aren't believable. Look at Terminator 2, the T1000 should have killed Sarah and John Connor within 1 second of locating them. Gees, turn into longer sword and stab them, or crash the helicopter into them.
Or any action movie when the hero get's caught and the main villain has his guys tie him up only to beat him and then leave him with the chronies telling them to "kill him" while he walks out the door only to have hero get out of the predicament and come back to stop the main villain. In real life when the catch the hero they immediately put a bullet in his head and don't leave anything to chance but of course that doesn't make for good movie suspense.
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Old 06-11-2012, 08:31 AM   #204
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What a dreadful film.

Other then Fassbender (quickly becoming one of my favorite actors), and some aesthetic there is nothing redeeming about Prometheus at all. The worst part was the plot, or at least their attempt to have one. About half of the movie was totally unexplained and made little to no sense at all. The highlight was probably the whole pregnancy/alien with the female lead. She is running around post a ridiculous surgery after having an alien inside her and no one seems to care? One minute there is a team with hazmat suits trying to sterilize her and the next she is running around with a c-section and no one seems to mind.

Maybe I just missed this one but when did they reach all these sweeping conclusions that those superhuman guys wanted to go and destroy earth? Or that they were the creators? Or that the planet they were on was a military base type thing? Maybe I just missed that. And what the hell was with the guy in the beginning? I’m not sure what the point of that was. This is probably one of the biggest head scratching movies (and not in a good way) I’ve ever seen. I’d recommend that you wait for this to go DVD before you see it, but even then it’s not worth your time.

Also the fact that this movie is sitting above a 20%, let alone in the 70’s, on Rotten Tomatoes is truly pathetic. Any faith I once had in that site is almost all gone.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:02 AM   #205
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What a dreadful film.

Other then Fassbender (quickly becoming one of my favorite actors), and some aesthetic there is nothing redeeming about Prometheus at all. The worst part was the plot, or at least their attempt to have one. About half of the movie was totally unexplained and made little to no sense at all. The highlight was probably the whole pregnancy/alien with the female lead. She is running around post a ridiculous surgery after having an alien inside her and no one seems to care? One minute there is a team with hazmat suits trying to sterilize her and the next she is running around with a c-section and no one seems to mind.

Maybe I just missed this one but when did they reach all these sweeping conclusions that those superhuman guys wanted to go and destroy earth? Or that they were the creators? Or that the planet they were on was a military base type thing? Maybe I just missed that. And what the hell was with the guy in the beginning? I’m not sure what the point of that was. This is probably one of the biggest head scratching movies (and not in a good way) I’ve ever seen. I’d recommend that you wait for this to go DVD before you see it, but even then it’s not worth your time.

Also the fact that this movie is sitting above a 20%, let alone in the 70’s, on Rotten Tomatoes is truly pathetic. Any faith I once had in that site is almost all gone.
Yeah that part was terrible. I was thinking the same thing, why have they suddenly just stop persuing her -- did she knock them out?

The movie was full of plot holes. I think a lot of people want to like this movie because of its link to Alien, but outside of the visuals the movie was mediocre at best. Definitly not the truly great classic sci-fi flick that people were hoping for.

For all the accolades given to Ridley Scott I've always thought most of his movies were fairly mediocre, even Gladiator.
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Yeah that part was terrible. I was thinking the same thing, why have they suddenly just stop persuing her -- did she knock them out?

The movie was full of plot holes. I think a lot of people want to like this movie because of its link to Alien, but outside of the visuals the movie was mediocre at best. Definitly not the truly great classic sci-fi flick that people were hoping for.

For all the accolades given to Ridley Scott I've always thought most of his movies were fairly mediocre, even Gladiator.
My buddy said the pacing in the movie was off and I've been thinking about that for days. I think the problem is that for half the film Prometheus tries to be Alien and for the other half tries to be something totally different. It's as though they didn't know what they wanted Prometheus to be and it shows.
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:17 AM   #207
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I've been watching/listening to some reviews and as someone who enjoyed it I simply don't understand how people think this is a really good film. I usually trust Richard Roeper for reviews (among others) and he gave it a A+ calling it one of the best of the year and seemed to love everything about it.

I enjoyed the film, but there were SO many problems with the plot that it is ridiculous.

Damon Lindelof is a hack writer and I hope if they make a sequel he has nothing to do with it. Being ambiguous is one thing, being vague and having to sense of continuity is another.
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Or any action movie when the hero get's caught and the main villain has his guys tie him up only to beat him and then leave him with the chronies telling them to "kill him" while he walks out the door only to have hero get out of the predicament and come back to stop the main villain. In real life when the catch the hero they immediately put a bullet in his head and don't leave anything to chance but of course that doesn't make for good movie suspense.
But if movie scripts were realistic, all movies would be 10 minutes long, the villian would win and the fat ugly guys would date fat ugly girls unless they had a ton of money.

Oh and most of the hero's would end up in prison for killing the villian without following proper rules of evidence gathering and executing them without due process.
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Wait, I'm confused about the movie... So the cops knew that internal affairs were setting them up?
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But if movie scripts were realistic, all movies would be 10 minutes long, the villian would win and the fat ugly guys would date fat ugly girls unless they had a ton of money.

Oh and most of the hero's would end up in prison for killing the villian without following proper rules of evidence gathering and executing them without due process.
BS. Realism is only a problem for hacks.

Real life is full of suspense, drama, humour and even horror. Good directors can make documentaries highly entertaining or fascinating, emotionally gripping and intellectually stimulating.

For a good fiction writer, realism is not a hindrance to drama but something that adds to the drama.

There is also the very important concept of "suspension of disbelief". You can shape the rules of reality as long as you get the audience to buy into it. You have to know how much you can do and how you can sell it to the audience, and most of the time you need to stick with the rules of the new reality you have established.

Once you get people to buy into your reality, you are also forgiven a lot of minor nitpicks and even some bigger issues, as long as the whole of the story is good.

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Exactly. As a writer you can create the bounds and laws of your world to any degree. The key is that once they are established, (through good storytelling) you have to stick within them to create dramatic tension.

A great example of this NOT happening is Attack of the Clones where nothing makes any realistic sense, as a result the viewer just gets the impression that anything is possible so long as the writer makes it up. That means there is no dramatic tension because there's always some way to "reverse the polarity" of whatever gizmo to save them.

Plinkett's review of the Attack of the Clones below shows how you can easily make a sci-fi movie unrealistic even with Jedis and Bounty Hunters:

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Grantland has a great (albeit long) e-mail dialogue that discusses the entire Alien franchise:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...lien-franchise
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Also the fact that this movie is sitting above a 20%, let alone in the 70’s, on Rotten Tomatoes is truly pathetic. Any faith I once had in that site is almost all gone.
You know that that's not rotten tomatoes critics right? Rotten tomatoes just aggregates the reviews from many sources and calculates the rating off that, so don't lose faith in rotten tomatoes, lose faith in critics.

also, I thought it was a good movie, enjoyable to watch, but yes it had some plot holes that made it not an excellent movie.
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You know that that's not rotten tomatoes critics right? Rotten tomatoes just aggregates the reviews from many sources and calculates the rating off that, so don't lose faith in rotten tomatoes, lose faith in critics.
I don't even know why J Pold reads reviews he doesn't like movies, any of them.

Finally saw it this evening, and really enjoyed it. It was one of the more beautiful movies I have seen to be honest, the opening scene is utterly breath taking. Fassbender continues to be one of the best actors currently working and Ibra Elba (?) was a scene stealer as well.

The film needed a constant antagonist though, so many weird creepy things you couldn't keep a handle on it though. Enjoyed it a lot though, a solid 7/10
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Laugh @normative on twitter is just laying into this movie.

"hard to believe to a large group of adults read this script and then decided to spend $100m to make it"
I think even peter12 reads your posts and thinks "My, what a pretentious twat".
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I don't even know why J Pold reads reviews he doesn't like movies, any of them.

Finally saw it this evening, and really enjoyed it. It was one of the more beautiful movies I have seen to be honest, the opening scene is utterly breath taking. Fassbender continues to be one of the best actors currently working and Ibra Elba (?) was a scene stealer as well.

The film needed a constant antagonist though, so many weird creepy things you couldn't keep a handle on it though. Enjoyed it a lot though, a solid 7/10
Going tonight to watch it in IMAX 3D. I'm not expecting perfection but I am expecting an enjoyable experience.
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Solid, entertaining movie. It's not an Alien movie so I can see some fanboys disappointed but it does give some clarity to the origins. I haven't read up on the banter because I didn't want to see any spoilers but I assume the xenomorphs as we know from the following movies was essentially conceived from Elizabeth and Charlie as she gives birth the to first facehugger. Outside of Weaver the AI's have been the best characters int the series and Fassbender does them justice the way he portrays his awkward AI character to near perfection. In typical Scott fashion it appears his vision was larger than what the studio wanted for a running time so there's probably an extended cut in the future as there seems to be more to the story than was presented in the two hours.

On the IMAX screen in 3D it was definitely one of the more stunning theatrical experiences I've seen. This is one movie that definitely benefits from the IMAX experience.

I give it a solid 8/10. It's not perfection but much better than your average summer popcorn flick.

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I just saw it for the first time, and I think it was a very good movie. 8/10 for me.

What some are calling "plot holes" are perhaps mysteries that can be answered by seeing the movie again, and in a sequel. There were certainly things that did not make logical sense.

There were some major call-backs to 2001 - especially the Robot named "David".

I'm going to think about it some more, and pose some questions later.
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