#occupy<insertlocalehere>

[Yasa]

Demonstrations spread to 1500 cities world-wide and violence erupts in Rome.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/anger-at...016-1lr4h.html

As many as 500 marchers in Rome wielding clubs attacked police, two banks and a supermarket, Sky TG24 reported.
Authorities used tear gas and water cannon.
Londoners were barred from Paternoster Square, home of the London Stock Exchange, and Tokyo protesters demanded an end to nuclear power.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Charlie Rose recently did a 1/2 hour on the Occupy Wall Street Movement, which included Bill Buster, who presents himself as a voice for the movement.

His attempt to define their position starts at 3:18.

So they're anti-corruption and want transparency.....

#occupysarbanesoxley

[JohnnyB]

Anti-corruption is the part of this that I do identify with. Reading discussions on the occupy wallstreet site where some are attacking capitalism and using all sorts of Marxist characterizations, I can't help but think those people simply don't get it, but even if their anger is misplaced there are certainly conditions in the states that warrant the public anger that's bubbling up. The real problem isn't capitalism or corporations though. The problem is how broken their democracy has become such that it is controlled by corporate and financial sector interests. The democracy has been corrupted and is failing, and that really is worth getting upset about.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Anti-corruption is the part of this that I do identify with. Reading discussions on the occupy wallstreet site where some are attacking capitalism and using all sorts of Marxist characterizations, I can't help but think those people simply don't get it, but even if their anger is misplaced there are certainly conditions in the states that warrant the public anger that's bubbling up. The real problem isn't capitalism or corporations though. The problem is how broken their democracy has become such that it is controlled by corporate and financial sector interests. The democracy has been corrupted and is failing, and that really is worth getting upset about.

To blame the economic situation simply on corporations is far to simplistic. The deregulation that corporations received is part of it and that makes them easy to blame. You are right, it's the policies that were allowed to be put into place to let this happen. So, not only should this be occupy wallstreet, but occupy the senate as well!

[Barnet Flame]

The regulatory system is in many ways to blame, but who has the loudest voice and most effective lobbying when politicians are designing the regulatory system?

If the politicians don't play ball with the corporations and their lobbyists, they often don't get power.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

The regulatory system is in many ways to blame, but who has the loudest voice and most effective lobbying when politicians are designing the regulatory system?

If the politicians don't play ball with the corporations and their lobbyists, they often don't get power.

So more regulation in the regulatory system! That sounds so ridiculous, but it obviously is needed. Wealth has been granted because of unfair regulatory practices to the wealthy.

That's like giving the wealthiest NHL teams, the Leafs and Rangers, a 10 goal lead and 10 get out of the penalty box free before the game even started... They are the wealthiest teams and should always reach the goal of economic wealth "the Stanley Cup".

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

So more regulation in the regulatory system! That sounds so ridiculous, but it obviously is needed. Wealth has been granted because of unfair regulatory practices to the wealthy.

That's like giving the wealthiest NHL teams, the Leafs and Rangers, a 10 goal lead and 10 get out of the penalty box free before the game even started... They are the wealthiest teams and should always reach the goal of economic wealth "the Stanley Cup".

I don't think the answer is more regulation. Better, fairer regulation could actually mean less regulation.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

I don't think the answer is more regulation. Better, fairer regulation could actually mean less regulation.

lol - sorry. My message did read that way. I just meant "conflict of interest" regulation. If the proposal is a conflict of interest against the people then it should be stopped.
If it still moves forward then rules should be in place for disciplinary action. Kind of like Photon's revamping the dicipline here. You're not banned (dead), but you go to "jail". Obviously there are rules in place, but they certainly are not being exercised. This is where one would need an internal marshal service that is always watching and ready.

[Resolute 14]

Good news Occupiers! You have the support of the American Communist and Nazi Parties!

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/re...cupy-protests/

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Good news Occupiers! You have the support of the American Communist and Nazi Parties!

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/re...cupy-protests/

Reminds me of Bloom County when the Meadow Party ran for election and Opus got a meeting with the Drug Cartal and to his horroy found out that they liked their anti-drug campaign and were throwing their support behind Bill the Cat for President.

[troutman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_movement

[woob]

Morning news round-up, of sorts.

U.S. Marine Sergeant defends Occupy Wall Street protestors



Occupy Wall Street reaches 1-month birthday


Global 'Occupy' Protests Lead To Violence In Rome, Arrests In Chicago

The Geography of Occupying Wall Street (And Everywhere Else)

Wonkbook: Will Obama occupy Wall Street?

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Reminds me of Bloom County when the Meadow Party ran for election and Opus got a meeting with the Drug Cartal and to his horroy found out that they liked their anti-drug campaign and were throwing their support behind Bill the Cat for President.

Cowperson

[valo403]

A great quote from an Egyptian street cart vendor located in downtown NYC who has all but been put out of business by the Zuccoti protests (really hitting big business where it hurts guys, take them down one street cart at a time )

“We were fighting for a big, big thing: for life, to eat, against a giant snake that would kill us. Here, they’re not fighting to eat, say, regular bread, but … special bagels or something.”

[Ozy_Flame]

Counter quote from Occupy Vancouver:

"I think part of that was that we saw 5,000 additional people downtown," he tells News1130. "We did hear from some of our coffee shops that they were extraordinarily busy. Some of the food courts were very busy in the downtown core as well."

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/a...downtown-shops

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Counter quote from Occupy Vancouver:

"I think part of that was that we saw 5,000 additional people downtown," he tells News1130. "We did hear from some of our coffee shops that they were extraordinarily busy. Some of the food courts were very busy in the downtown core as well."

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/a...downtown-shops

Apples and oranges. One is an area that is filled with potential customers who have been driven away, the other is an area that is largely desolate on the weekend.

Btw, the more important point is contained in the quote.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by valo403

Apples and oranges. One is an area that is filled with potential customers who have been driven away, the other is an area that is largely desolate on the weekend.

Btw, the more important point is contained in the quote.

You think The area around the Vancouver Art Gallery is desolate over the weekend? Are you serious?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

You think The area around the Vancouver Art Gallery is desolate over the weekend? Are you serious?

Relative to downtown Manhattan? Yes. And don't forget, you're comparing one day to a month.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by valo403

Relative to downtown Manhattan? Yes.

That's clearly not the argument you were making. And if you were, you need to articulate it better.

Vancouver Art Gallery is like the pinnacle area on the weekend for both citizens and tourists alike; 'desolate' is so very wrong a term to use.

[woob]

Originally Posted by valo403

A great quote from an Egyptian street cart vendor located in downtown NYC who has all but been put out of business by the Zuccoti protests (really hitting big business where it hurts guys, take them down one street cart at a time )

And from the same article - From Ahmed Abed, also of Egyptian descent:

"His father, another Egyptian immigrant, has owned the stand on the corner “since before they built the World Trade Center.” But now, his sons have had to join on permanently to keep the family business alive. Though they sympathize with the occupation’s aims, Ahmed says their stand has lost most of its old customers. “I support what the protesters are saying … but man, this is bad.” "

To summarize - Yes business is bad, but they also support what the protesters are saying.