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Jay Random · 03-13-2024, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

That’s one data point and a very flawed one. They even admit their methodology is flawed and was designed to marginalize large data sets and amplify smaller ones.

That's not a flaw, that's the intention. The whole point of the exercise is to assess scouting and development staffs by removing a variable that they had no control over: the number of picks they had to work with.

If you think you can blame the Flames' scouts because GMs kept trading away draft picks, fill your boots – but you will be dead wrong.

Burning Beard · 03-13-2024, 10:47 AM

I know losing next year is best for the franchise, but I really hope we can bring in some grit to provide entertainment and protect the younger guys next year. They don't need to be good players (we don't want to win too much) just entertaining.

1qqaaz · 03-13-2024, 10:53 AM

Random question, which 1st overall picks have played for the Flames? Anyone other than Hamrlík and Nolan?

boogerz · 03-13-2024, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Random question, which 1st overall picks have played for the Flames? Anyone other than Hamrlík and Nolan?

Rob Ramage

HitterD · 03-13-2024, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Random question, which 1st overall picks have played for the Flames? Anyone other than Hamrlík and Nolan?

Rob Ramage (1979) and Mel Bridgeman (1975)

kukkudo · 03-13-2024, 10:59 AM

Does Huberdeau want to be part of a rebuild? I'm sure he wasn't expecting this when he signed that contract. Can he be moved?

blankall · 03-13-2024, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hackey

Other than Fox and Andersson the Flames haven't really found any impact players in the last 10 years outside of their top 10 picks. Their drafting has been decent but definitely nothing special. Hopefully some higher picks and a surplus of picks is going to improve those numbers.

It's a numbers game outside of the first round. Over the last 10 years, the Flames have also traded away many of their second and third round picks. Now they are acquiring multiple 1st-3rd round picks. The odds are changing in their favor.

2nd and 3rd round picks are also rarely NHL ready. So players like Poirier, Wolf, and Pospisil could still become impact players. Basically, I wouldn't rule out players drafted in the last 5 years.

What the Flames need for a rebuild is a franchise center. Drafting them outside of the 1st is rare. That player will likely have to come from a higher draft or potentially getting very lucky in a trade.

blankall · 03-13-2024, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kukkudo

Does Huberdeau want to be part of a rebuild? I'm sure he wasn't expecting this when he signed that contract. Can he be moved?

Huberdeau seemed like he thought he was going to be the franchise guy. Didn't work out that way. A lot of the rebuild is due to his inability to play up to his contract and previous play. No he cannot be moved. His contract doesn't even make sense to buyout.

GioforPM · 03-13-2024, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by blankall

Huberdeau seemed like he thought he was going to be the franchise guy. Didn't work out that way. A lot of the rebuild is due to his inability to play up to his contract and previous play. No he cannot be moved. His contract doesn't even make sense to buyout.

All true. Plus, he seems to genuinely like the kids, his play is improved, so all they can do is play to his strengths, encourage him to lead and assist the development and hope he can continue to take baby stepos to being a better player.

Bonded · 03-13-2024, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by blankall

Huberdeau seemed like he thought he was going to be the franchise guy. Didn't work out that way. A lot of the rebuild is due to his inability to play up to his contract and previous play. No he cannot be moved. His contract doesn't even make sense to buyout.

The only move Huberdeau can make is to LTIR

AFireInside · 03-13-2024, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by blankall

Huberdeau seemed like he thought he was going to be the franchise guy. Didn't work out that way. A lot of the rebuild is due to his inability to play up to his contract and previous play. No he cannot be moved. His contract doesn't even make sense to buyout.

This rebuild is due to poor management plain and simple. Huberdeau spent most of last season with players who can't score. It's ridiculous to assume a playmaker is going to succeed without linemates. The first half of this year was exactly the same. If Huberdeau gets 100 pts last year we are still in the exact same position.

This rebuild is due to poor asset management, and expecting results from random pieces with no plan on how to construct a team.

Huberdeau put up 40 assists spending a large chunk of the season with Lucic. Kadri was by far worse than Huberdeau last year..Weegar was awful the first half of last year too. There's lots of blame to go around for players. Markstrom was probably the biggest issue last year.

Macindoc · 03-13-2024, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonded

The only move Huberdeau can make is to LTIR

Yeah, his leverage to demand a trade is quite limited unless he comes a lot closer to providing performance in line with his salary.

GreenLantern2814 · 03-13-2024, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kukkudo

Does Huberdeau want to be part of a rebuild? I'm sure he wasn't expecting this when he signed that contract. Can he be moved?

Huberdeau is being paid $84M to be part of whatever the Flames tell him, and be a good lad about it.

the-rasta-masta · 03-13-2024, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by HitterD

Rob Ramage (1979) and Mel Bridgeman (1975)

Roman Hamrlik too.

blankall · 03-13-2024, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AFireInside

This rebuild is due to poor management plain and simple. Huberdeau spent most of last season with players who can't score. It's ridiculous to assume a playmaker is going to succeed without linemates. The first half of this year was exactly the same. If Huberdeau gets 100 pts last year we are still in the exact same position.

This rebuild is due to poor asset management, and expecting results from random pieces with no plan on how to construct a team.

Huberdeau put up 40 assists spending a large chunk of the season with Lucic. Kadri was by far worse than Huberdeau last year..Weegar was awful the first half of last year too. There's lots of blame to go around for players. Markstrom was probably the biggest issue last year.

They tried a lot of players with Huberdeau. I agree that the Flames didn't give him the right players. At his price tag, though, he should be less dependent on having the right players. A true franchise player's success isn't as situationally dependent as Huberdeau seems to be.

Huberdeau also suffered from having to play in a coaching style that didn't match his game.

All that being said, he went from 115 to 55 points. A lot of that is on him.

Jay Random · 03-13-2024, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by blankall

They tried a lot of players with Huberdeau. I agree that the Flames didn't give him the right players. At his price tag, though, he should be less dependent on having the right players. A true franchise player's success isn't as situationally dependent as Huberdeau seems to be.

The Flames also gave Huberdeau that price tag. I think it's pretty generally understood that the $10.5 million salary was the exact money that they offered to Gaudreau, and it was burning a hole in their pocket.

Expecting Huberdeau to be a franchise player because the Flames overpaid him would be stupid. It's exactly the same kind and degree of stupidity as expecting Nurse to be a #1 defenceman because the Oilers made the same error.

Goriders · 03-13-2024, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I know losing next year is best for the franchise, but I really hope we can bring in some grit to provide entertainment and protect the younger guys next year. They don't need to be good players (we don't want to win too much) just entertaining.

Not sure how you make losing every game 6-2 entertaining. Sounds more punitive to me.

blankall · 03-13-2024, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

The Flames also gave Huberdeau that price tag. I think it's pretty generally understood that the $10.5 million salary was the exact money that they offered to Gaudreau, and it was burning a hole in their pocket.

Expecting Huberdeau to be a franchise player because the Flames overpaid him would be stupid. It's exactly the same kind and degree of stupidity as expecting Nurse to be a #1 defenceman because the Oilers made the same error.

Agree and disagree. There are two parties to a contract here. Huberdeau took a payment based on his previous 115 point season. I'm sure his camp also expressed a desire for a large contract and used that 115 point season as a bargaining point, with the expectation that play would continue. Huberdeau certainly wasn't selling himself as a 55 point player.

Goriders · 03-13-2024, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Huberdeau is being paid $84M to be part of whatever the Flames tell him, and be a good lad about it.

Sounds like a recipe for a motivated player. See Lindholm.

GreenLantern2814 · 03-13-2024, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Goriders

Sounds like a recipe for a motivated player. See Lindholm.

Lindholm played his way out of $20M this season.

Huberdeau took the money. He signed the buyout-proof, untradeable contract to secure his family’s future for generations.

$84M (roughly $110M Canadian) ought to buy some professionalism.

Make your fancy passes, produce on the PP, sell some jerseys, and don’t make waves.

And I like Huberdeau.