[Update: Approved] First Leg of the Green Line LRT

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

That's why we have to hire Calatrava again.

I hear hes already put down a deposit on one of those new SuperYachts in anticipation of this news.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Rando

If done properly a bridge over the island could be pretty spectacular.

This phrase is not in the City of Calgary manual.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

This phrase is not in the City of Calgary manual.

The CMLC is pretty dope though.

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by Locke

I hear hes already put down a deposit on one of those new SuperYachts in anticipation of this news.

If he can't afford to he could contact PLC or whoever built the interchange at Seton or the other corners of the city.

[getbak]

New plans... https://s3.ca-central-1.amazonaws.co...12-w_links.pdf


The biggest news for those of us who live at the top of the hill: 9TH AVE STATION!!!

Presumably, the most-requested/commented part of the original surface route on Centre Street was a station at 9th Ave N. They have listened and the plan will now include a surface station at 9th Ave.


They've also come closer to a plan for the alignment of the bridge over the river. The tunnel entrance will be located to the west of 2nd St and will be integrated into the Eau Claire redevelopment, similar to the library.

[Regorium]

Latest plan looks way better. The river crossing doesn't cut McHugh bluffs in half like the previous one and obviously the 9th ave station is a fantastic addition.

[Fuzz]

Ugh. Centre st is going to be a disaster.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ugh. Centre st is going to be a disaster.

Based on the update, it confirms for me comments on twitter suggesting that particular section of Centre Street N will be limited to bus and local traffic only.

https://twitter.com/CageYYC/status/1249880135773249537

[81MC]

Originally Posted by accord1999

Based on the update, it confirms for me comments on twitter suggesting that particular section of Centre Street N will be limited to bus and local traffic only.

https://twitter.com/CageYYC/status/1249880135773249537

Terrible ####ing idea. What ‘other route’ do they suggest? The next options are Edmonton trail or 10th st. Both of which are have huge bottle neck bridges, not to mention single lane traffic to support the street level businesses.

Unless I’m really missing something, this is seriously stupid.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by 81MC

Unless I’m really missing something, this is seriously stupid.

I don't think you are; but the ever increasing construction costs has forced them to the surface option on Centre Street and leave them little choice but to close it to car commuting in order to preserve bus service levels. And hope Calgarians can adapt like the time the Centre Street Bridge was closed for restoration.

Still, it's seems incredible to me that the Green Line jumped BRT to LRT because BRT would not be sufficient for Centre Street N in the medium term, but $5B later, it could actually see a loss of overall passenger trip (car and bus) capacity into Downtown.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by 81MC

Terrible ####ing idea. What ‘other route’ do they suggest? The next options are Edmonton trail or 10th st. Both of which are have huge bottle neck bridges, not to mention single lane traffic to support the street level businesses.

Unless I’m really missing something, this is seriously stupid.

My vote is on stupid. You’re going to divert a huge number of vehicles coming from NC Calgary into downtown, just for the handful of passengers that would use the train to and from Crescent Heights/16 Ave? Who are being serviced by the 3/301 already?

At this point, I would suggest just building the SE leg into downtown and then do the North portion when you can do it at least up to 96 Ave.

[Fuzz]

That "local traffic only" must be just for construction. No way do they expect all vehicles to divert to Edmonton Trail or 10th st. It was pretty messy when they did it a decade or so ago, and now with more traffic someone thinks this will work permanently? The corridor handles ~ 16 000 vehicles a day. They expect that to be diverted to Edmonton Trail (19 000) and 10th st(12 000) and not cause huge issues? No way does that make any sense.


https://www.calgary.ca/Transportatio...owmap-City.pdf

[Weitz]

Its the city of Calgary, can we expect anything less?

[tvp2003]

Wait a minute, so segment 1 doesn't even go into downtown now? With segment two extending that line into downtown and up to 9 Ave and 16 Ave (where it will connect with a separate line that goes to NC Calgary)?

I haven't been following this very closely but this is a significant change, no? I was still under the impression they would build 16 Ave to SE in one shot... when did that change?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Wait a minute, so segment 1 doesn't even go into downtown now? With segment two extending that line into downtown and up to 9 Ave and 16 Ave (where it will connect with a separate line that goes to NC Calgary)?

I haven't been following this very closely but this is a significant change, no? I was still under the impression they would build 16 Ave to SE in one shot... when did that change?

I think you might just be mixing up segment 1 and 2, which are south to Quarry Park(?) and north to 16h ave, with Stage 1, which would include segment 1 and 2. So I think it still gets built at the same time, in Stage 1.

[Ozy_Flame]

I like it. Prioritize Center St. Bridge as public-transit primary, limits cars going in/out of the core, and allows more pedestrian access via the (proposed) new train bridge. I would hope they put a park-ride situation at 16 Ave NW Station or just past it. I believe 16th to Center Street bridge should be pedestrian/bike/public transit throughputs first and cars second. That section should be accessible as a high street that people can interact with more freely.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I think you might just be mixing up segment 1 and 2, which are south to Quarry Park(?) and north to 16h ave, with Stage 1, which would include segment 1 and 2. So I think it still gets built at the same time, in Stage 1.

Thanks — I was looking at the diagrams and got “stage 1” confused with “segment 1”. So Stage 1 includes all of segment 1 and a bit of segment 2 (Inglewood to 16 Ave) — that hasn’t changed.

I think once the decision was made not to go underground to 16 Ave, they should have shelved that portion of the project for now. Having an above ground line only up to 16 Ave makes no sense, as you would only be servicing people that live in Crescent Heights or transfer off the Max line at 16 Ave, at the expense of bus/vehicle traffic coming from the rest of NC Calgary (unless the expectation is that people who ride the 3/301 would have to get off at 16 Ave and take the train into downtown — that would be a huge inconvenience in itself). I understand why the would have included it before but now it seems unnecessary if there’s any significant delay between completing up to 16 Ave and the rest of the NC line...

[PepsiFree]

Couldn't a large portion of people who drive Centre St. in/out of downtown just take the Green Line?

If we're just expecting traffic to stay exactly the same once the Green Line exists... what's the point of the Green Line? I think the idea is that you give more people an option to take transit, right?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Couldn't a large portion of people who drive Centre St. in/out of downtown just take the Green Line?

If we're just expecting traffic to stay exactly the same once the Green Line exists... what's the point of the Green Line? I think the idea is that you give more people an option to take transit, right?

Sure, but with population growth on the corridor by the time it gets built I don't think you will see a significant reduction in traffic volumes from today. People still need to drive places.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Couldn't a large portion of people who drive Centre St. in/out of downtown just take the Green Line?

If we're just expecting traffic to stay exactly the same once the Green Line exists... what's the point of the Green Line? I think the idea is that you give more people an option to take transit, right?

Yeah I'm seeing a lot of the comments and thinking...maybe take the train?