American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Fuzz]

Just FYI for your last one, there is a much more recent poll that has Alberta at 29% for Trump. Not much change. What is interesting/confusing/scary is that 45% of CPC supporters are bafflingly stupid enough to think a Trump victory is the better outcome for Canada. I guess they don't understand international trade and irrational leaders, too? Yay sloganeering?



Seeing it is younger people, as well, it presents a pretty poor picture of our future if we expect being educated on issues will be important in the outcome of future elections...which of course it is. We are so boned.



https://leger360.com/wp-content/uplo...S-Politics.pdf

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Maybe I wrong but I just think the southern U.S is just far more stupid with lower IQ than Canada

They are. And it goes back to slavery. The whole region was built on free/underpaid labour to funnel money to the land owners. The people there grow up in the remnants of that system and have relatively low chances of good outcomes compared to other regions in the country.

[GullFoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1862853808944042422

How would we feel if trump executed on this plan?

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1862853808944042422

How would we feel if trump executed on this plan?

I’d be fine with that. The learn English thing sounds like it would get challenged under the 1st amendment but all the rest sounds a lot like the way we do things.

But, Trump isn’t proposing anything like that. He’s calling for a blanket removal policy for illegals. It’s expensive and will devastate some industries. I bet it doesn’t go nearly as far as he says it will.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1862853808944042422

How would we feel if trump executed on this plan?

There's multiple problems with this idea.

1. You have to find takers, and countries generally aren't excited about taking in criminals from other countries. (It's also not always easy to know where someone actually came from.) Those countries might not have ways to deal with the criminals.

2. If you deport people instead of putting them in jail, those people often go free in the country they're deported in. This can be abused especially by international organized crime, and is just in general a bad idea.

3. This practice massively increases the stakes of reporting crime committed by an immigrant, which has several negative consequences. Crimes typically commited by people familiar to the victim such as domestic violence or sexual assault become much less reported, for starters.

In general this often creates an atmosphere among immigrant populations where going to the justice system is at least shunned if not outright banned by immigrant communities, which in turn creates environments that breed organized crime. It also increases feelings of unfairness and alienation and just a whole lot of problems when a group of people is treated differently by law than everyone else, and is thus makes integrating those communities harder.

It also has a massive tendency to make the police force treat immigrants different than everyone else, (because they are literally different), which increases hostility between the police and the immigrants.

When immigrant communities stop seeking for justice through the police and the legal system, that creates a need for alternate justice systems, a role often filled by those organized crime gangs hiding in the community, and when crime gangs become a justice system, suddenly a lot of people start feeling a need to be under the protection or part of some gang that can protect them.

Let's also remember that these practices are just flat out "these people are treated different than others because of who they are" as law, which is unconstitutional in many countries.

Even more broadly: a central logic behind the existence of justice is to create a situation where everyone gets the same punishment for the same crime, and this is extremely explicitly against that core idea of justice through law (instead of oldrr systems like justice through religion or justice through family feuds, for example).

Tl:dr; this idea is bad because it tends to make things worse.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

How would we feel if trump executed on this plan?

Fine with that, because IT'S THE ####ING LAW! It's called 8 USC 1227.

Trumpers are such ignorant morons, not realizing that this is already the law, and it takes place every day. The existence of programs like ICE Rapid Repat speeds up the process. So no, who suggests such tactics is irrelevant, because it's the law!

[activeStick]

He was hired by Trump as a national security aide in 2019 and a year later was appointed chief of staff to the head of the Pentagon.

As well as his 2023 memoir, he has published two pro-Trump children’s books.

One of the titles, The Plot Against the King, features a villain, Hillary Queenton, trying to depose King Donald, who is aided by a wizard called Kash the Distinguished Discoverer.

Another villain is called Keeper Komey - a thinly-veiled reference to former FBI Director James Comey - and his “spying slugs”, according to the book’s blurb.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c30p5qlj970o

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by activeStick

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c30p5qlj970o

Lol, holy s***. It just continues to get worse with each pick. What a clown show.

[dino7c]

Buuuuuut Hillary Clinton was also terrible 16 years ago!

Trumpers are so ####ing stupid, nobody here likes Hillary Clinton...we don't just cheer for whomever like it's team sports

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Buuuuuut Hillary Clinton was also terrible 16 years ago!

Trumpers are so ####ing stupid, nobody here likes Hillary Clinton...we don't just cheer for whomever like it's team sports

To be fair though, many down south suddenly started liking Dick Cheney a few months ago, forgetting they used to call him Satan!

[activeStick]

I'm curious, how long does it take for a confirmation hearing to complete in the Senate? Looked up Judge Kavanaugh, and he was nominated in July, had the hearing in September, and it was finally official in October. If they need to do this for Trump's full cabinet, and nominations are not yet confirmed by Jan 20, do these nominations just start in their roles and leave the roles if they fail to get confirmed? I wonder if Trump can just nominate people the most loyal to them, have them push as much as they can through before their confirmation results and then if not confirmed, go with their backup knowing that at least he'll get some of his most controversial changes through?

[Amethyst]

Originally Posted by Itse

There's multiple problems with this idea.

...
Tl:dr; this idea is bad because it tends to make things worse.

Not Trump and his supporters championing an idea without considering whether it even does what they want it to do?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Itse

There's multiple problems with this idea.

1. You have to find takers, and countries generally aren't excited about taking in criminals from other countries. (It's also not always easy to know where someone actually came from.) Those countries might not have ways to deal with the criminals.

2. If you deport people instead of putting them in jail, those people often go free in the country they're deported in. This can be abused especially by international organized crime, and is just in general a bad idea.

3. This practice massively increases the stakes of reporting crime committed by an immigrant, which has several negative consequences. Crimes typically commited by people familiar to the victim such as domestic violence or sexual assault become much less reported, for starters.

In general this often creates an atmosphere among immigrant populations where going to the justice system is at least shunned if not outright banned by immigrant communities, which in turn creates environments that breed organized crime. It also increases feelings of unfairness and alienation and just a whole lot of problems when a group of people is treated differently by law than everyone else, and is thus makes integrating those communities harder.

It also has a massive tendency to make the police force treat immigrants different than everyone else, (because they are literally different), which increases hostility between the police and the immigrants.

When immigrant communities stop seeking for justice through the police and the legal system, that creates a need for alternate justice systems, a role often filled by those organized crime gangs hiding in the community, and when crime gangs become a justice system, suddenly a lot of people start feeling a need to be under the protection or part of some gang that can protect them.

Let's also remember that these practices are just flat out "these people are treated different than others because of who they are" as law, which is unconstitutional in many countries.

Even more broadly: a central logic behind the existence of justice is to create a situation where everyone gets the same punishment for the same crime, and this is extremely explicitly against that core idea of justice through law (instead of oldrr systems like justice through religion or justice through family feuds, for example).

Tl:dr; this idea is bad because it tends to make things worse.

I believe a lot of the reasons you listed are why some cities declared themselves as sanctuary cities. It would give some safety to otherwise law abiding undocumented people to report crime without having to worry about deportation. Without that assurance, crime was going unreported and unchecked.

[MegaErtz]

Two Canadians arrested for drug trafficking; $40 million of cocaine seized from truck in Illinois

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news...ized-illinois/

[activeStick]

That doesn't have anything to do with Trump...

[Ped]

Oh, was it the Canadian border checkpoint that missed nabbing them?

[MegaErtz]

Two immigrants who came to Canada legally under our current government's very welcoming immigration policy.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Two immigrants who came to Canada legally under our current government's very welcoming immigration policy.

Where do you see they were immigrants, and when they came to Canada? Wasn't in the story you linked.

[OldDutch]

Hunter Biden to be pardoned, after Joe said no way I respect the justice system. Dems further dig themselves in an elitist hole. Good greif

[Fuzz]

About time they start playing by the same non-rules. Plus it's gonna piss off them snowflake law abiding Conservatives somethin' good.