2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Oof.....pretty condescending, no? If you read the rest of my comments, I acknowledged the fact that I forgot about how their D got worse. Derek Ryan ain't a star player, but he's very useful. I think their forwards got better, which was my point, and I don't think that's incorrect.

sounds like an opinion not a fact...I would wager the Oilers points % is worse this season

Derek Ryan cleared waivers about 50 times last season, he is an okay player but not going to make the difference playing 5 mins a night

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dino7c

sounds like an opinion not a fact...I would wager the Oilers points % is worse this season

Derek Ryan cleared waivers about 50 times last season, he is an okay player but not going to make the difference playing 5 mins a night

I might wager their points % is worse too, but I still think they got better at F. I also think that Ryan is going to be playing a lot more than 5 minutes a night. They also signed Hyman and Foegele too, and they're going to make a lot more of a difference than Ryan will.

[Samonadreau]

Oilers' Forwards better, D is worse, Goaltending worse.

....I like it.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Learned an interesting tidbit from Brayden Point's father today.

Not sure if this has been reported before, but apparently Calgary & Carolina were the only two teams to not even bother talking to Point during his draft year.

That may or not be something. I recall reading a story around Gaudreau that they didn't talk to him because they didn't want to show their hand.

I believe it was a little more complicated for them because they had to be careful who they talked to around because the team Gaudreau played on had ties to Claude Julien, who was in Boston at the time.

You are right though, that is an interesting tidbit. Would love to be able to look at the Flames draft notes or sit down with Button under influence of truth serum to find out about some of these players and decisions.

[Brad Marsh]

Originally Posted by dino7c

sounds like an opinion not a fact...I would wager the Oilers points % is worse this season

Derek Ryan cleared waivers about 50 times last season, he is an okay player but not going to make the difference playing 5 mins a night

Ryan cleared waivers because of his high cap hit relative to his role, not because he wouldn't add value to another team's bottom 6. I wouldn't consider the fact that he cleared waivers as an indication he isn't a useful player. In fact I think he's a very useful player, especially at this lower cap hit this next season.

I think the Oilers are much better and deeper at forward this year. But I think they are also considerably worse on D, and carry a very high risk in goal. Overall I don't really think they will be any better than what they were last year, and I could easily see them taking a step backward. Here's hoping anyway!

On topic - I'm a little surprised at how quiet things are around the Eichel situation. Seems like that's a big stalemate at the moment on all sides.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Brad Marsh

Ryan cleared waivers because of his high cap hit relative to his role, not because he wouldn't add value to another team's bottom 6. I wouldn't consider the fact that he cleared waivers as an indication he isn't a useful player. In fact I think he's a very useful player, especially at this lower cap hit this next season.

I think the Oilers are much better and deeper at forward this year. But I think they are also considerably worse on D, and carry a very high risk in goal. Overall I don't really think they will be any better than what they were last year, and I could easily see them taking a step backward. Here's hoping anyway!

On topic - I'm a little surprised at how quiet things are around the Eichel situation. Seems like that's a big stalemate at the moment on all sides.

“Much” better and deeper? Nah. They have added 3 forwards. Ryan makes their bottom line better. If he plays third line it’s probably a line too high. Foegele is a guy I’m not as impressed with as some here. And like I’ve said before Hyman, while a decent forward, adds nothing to their top line UNLESS he can replace Draisaitl on the top line and enable them to separate him from McDavid. A line of Hyman-McDavid-Draisaitl will score no more goals than any other forward playing with those two. And Hyman isn’t very good defensively so he doesn’t help that way.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Derek Ryan cleared waivers about 50 times last season, he is an okay player but not going to make the difference playing 5 mins a night

Ryan will likely play 15+ minutes as the Oilers' 3C, and his production on a per-minute basis last year was stellar, despite centering such names as Ritchie, Rinaldo, Nordstrom, and Simon.

Your downplaying of him being a quality player reeks of insecurity.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Ryan will likely play 15+ minutes as the Oilers' 3C, and his production on a per-minute basis last year was stellar, despite centering such names as Ritchie, Rinaldo, Nordstrom, and Simon.

Your downplaying of him being a quality player reeks of insecurity.

His production for a fourth line center was good. You can’t just keep moving him up the lineup and expect the same production or quality of competition. If that was true why didn’t we just run with him as our first line center?

He’s a replacement level player, who will be better than Turris for them.

[Enoch Root]

Ryan is a solid player who is a better 4th line option for the Oilers than anything else they have, so there is no question that he offers a level of improvement for them.

However, he is also 35 in December, so I think any talk of his production should be tempered accordingly. Also, his usage is likely to be entirely defensive in nature, and he is going to be sharing that task with an horrific collection of defensemen.

He produced at a 35 pt pace in 19/20

Then at a 25 pt pace in 20/21

I would take the under on 25 pts this season, personally.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by MrMike

His production for a fourth line center was good. You can’t just keep moving him up the lineup and expect the same production or quality of competition. If that was true why didn’t we just run with him as our first line center?

He’s a replacement level player, who will be better than Turris for them.

I disagree with your assessment. Ryan was a very good player for us, and I would've loved bringing him back at his current contract. Ryan was always responsible defensively, meanwhile generating chances on the other end of the ice. I think that he showed he can produce in a role as a 3rd line center with the Canes(granted it as 3 years back). The only thing against Ryan is his age. At some point his play will drop off a cliff, but I don't think it will happen this season.

[Enoch Root]

His 2 goals and 13 pts last year (4G 25P pace) disagrees.

As does his total of 3 pts in 15 playoff games over the last 3 seasons.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Ryan will likely play 15+ minutes as the Oilers' 3C, and his production on a per-minute basis last year was stellar, despite centering such names as Ritchie, Rinaldo, Nordstrom, and Simon.

Your downplaying of him being a quality player reeks of insecurity.

Technically you're right.

Derek Ryan's even strength points per 60 minutes: 1.846
Sean Monahan's even strength points per 60 minute: 1.627

And Ryan did it while playing with Ritchie, Rinaldo, Nordstrom and Simon.
Ryan produce in a similar manner to Lucic and Bennett.

[Brad Marsh]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

“Much” better and deeper? Nah. They have added 3 forwards. Ryan makes their bottom line better. If he plays third line it’s probably a line too high. Foegele is a guy I’m not as impressed with as some here. And like I’ve said before Hyman, while a decent forward, adds nothing to their top line UNLESS he can replace Draisaitl on the top line and enable them to separate him from McDavid. A line of Hyman-McDavid-Draisaitl will score no more goals than any other forward playing with those two. And Hyman isn’t very good defensively so he doesn’t help that way.

Not sure if you're serious??

Ryan+Hyman+Foegele are so much better than Chiasson+Neil+Khaira

Not even close really. Swapping out marginal, healthy scratch-caliber guys for legitimately good NHL players is a significant upgrade on forward, IMO.

[Wolfman]

I know Monahan has regressed the last two years. I hope he can stay healthy and get back to close to 30 goals. One of the most clutch scorers in team history.

[TheScorpion]

Ryan only cleared waivers last year because of his salary (and honestly, a team with cap space absolutely should've claimed him and then traded him at 50%).

He's a very good two-way player. Points aren't the best indicator of value for guys like him.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Ryan only cleared waivers last year because of his salary (and honestly, a team with cap space absolutely should've claimed him and then traded him at 50%).

He's a very good two-way player. Points aren't the best indicator of value for guys like him.

Ryan was available at the deadline. That is a time when depth centers should be wanted. Absolutely nobody was interested him at the deadline . He is a good 4th line center ,that will be playing to far up the lineup in Edmonton , which is a good thing.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Brad Marsh

Not sure if you're serious??

Ryan+Hyman+Foegele are so much better than Chiasson+Neil+Khaira

Not even close really. Swapping out marginal, healthy scratch-caliber guys for legitimately good NHL players is a significant upgrade on forward, IMO.

Hyman is their top line player or at least top 6

He is not going to play with Ryan

Ryan was a decent player but I think those days are almost over

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Ryan was available at the deadline. That is a time when depth centers should be wanted. Absolutely nobody was interested him at the deadline . He is a good 4th line center ,that will be playing to far up the lineup in Edmonton , which is a good thing.

I think you’ll be surprised, but all we can do is wait and see

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Brad Marsh

Not sure if you're serious??

Ryan+Hyman+Foegele are so much better than Chiasson+Neil+Khaira

Not even close really. Swapping out marginal, healthy scratch-caliber guys for legitimately good NHL players is a significant upgrade on forward, IMO.

It’s just about impossible to grab anyone available and not be an upgrade over Chiasson/Neal/Khaira

[Brad Marsh]

^^^Yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to say.....it's a fairly significant upgrade overall.

Regardless, here's one from today: https://clutchpoints.com/sabres-news...ising-suitors/

Mike Futa is quoted in the article:

I know Anaheim is very much involved in the hunt. It wouldn’t surprise me to see even a team like the Calgary Flames, looking at the situation like that, where they are still trying to change their chemistry, change their mix. Buffalo’s gonna have to make a decision here shortly.

Not sure if it's new news or not, but saw it today, and it's been quiet lately, so thought I'd throw it on here. Apparently still a possibility......