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Old 04-12-2024, 10:38 AM   #2161
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Yeah, the only problem with that is the limited storage on the Legion Go. Unless streaming games gets a lot better, it's not really feasible if you want to have more than one or two AAA games available to play at any time.
People are installing 2TB drives plus an SD card Slot so its quite a bit of space but they could also have limited space for "on the go" and the dock/base has its own storage. I'm sure this is just a pipe dream as the cost would be pretty high but making an affordable base model and then allowing for easy upgrade like storage etc could be possible.
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Old 04-12-2024, 11:31 AM   #2162
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Yeah, Microsoft had to admit in the court filings that Game Pass was killing purchases. It's not surprising of course.

I haven't purchased anything on Xbox in years either. Nevermind the lack of exclusives but it just doesn't even feel good when you think about a potential purchase and remember that there is a game pass.

"You'll own nothing and be happy."
Do you buy blu-rays of every movie and tv show you watch, or still buy physical CD's for all the music you listen to? Gaming seems to be the last medium where a segment of the fans really want to hang on to a traditional library.

Everything is going to streaming and subscrpition, its inevitable. Most people don't care too much about owning a copy of the media, they consume it and move on to the next thing.

I don't even game these days so I recognize I'm totally a casual in this space now -- but subscriptions would not bother me one bit.
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Old 05-19-2024, 12:17 PM   #2163
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If it is a tent pole release or something I really enjoy, I am pretty happy to buy a physical release especially for gaming. I've always maintained a (stupid) high end gaming/home theatre setup and do enjoy using it.

I get what you are saying though, the subscriptions do kill individual sales. Which is exactly what happens to the games on Game Pass. You get an up front payout and essentially kill your sales outside of that.
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Old 05-19-2024, 08:37 PM   #2164
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I think it also potentially kills game engagement.

When you buy the game you have a bit of skin in the game to make sure you play through it and make it through what might be a slow start or to be a bit more patient.

When it's on gamepass it's easy to go "Meh not really my vibe" and just move onto the next game without giving it much thought
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Crazy, what the heck is xbox doing?



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Old 06-28-2024, 01:52 AM   #2166
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So I have been testing the EK-QUANTUM mono water block for about 2 months now on the ps5. Lots of discussions online that it won't make a difference for a console online but I officially disagree. Lots of people saying " consoles don't work the same as a pc, It's just for looks" Lots of people don't know how consoles work apparently. Any game I've loaded with the block on for hours and hours the system remains almost 20 degrees cooler vs air on the chip. The fps is is almost doubled and almost tripled for for what locked settings were on air.

I recorded temps and fps before and after . The ps5 on chip temps were 65c vs water at around 30c

Example max settings god of war the fans full tilt had the chip at 63c vs water at 36c . Fps was a locked 30 for air and on water 76 to 90 fps.

Just thought it was interesting. It now performs like a pc . But I got a nice cool, quite water cooled pc for the same price I'd get a louder warmer air cooled pc.
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So I have been testing the EK-QUANTUM mono water block for about 2 months now on the ps5. Lots of discussions online that it won't make a difference for a console online but I officially disagree. Lots of people saying " consoles don't work the same as a pc, It's just for looks" Lots of people don't know how consoles work apparently. Any game I've loaded with the block on for hours and hours the system remains almost 20 degrees cooler vs air on the chip. The fps is is almost doubled and almost tripled for for what locked settings were on air.

I recorded temps and fps before and after . The ps5 on chip temps were 65c vs water at around 30c

Example max settings god of war the fans full tilt had the chip at 63c vs water at 36c . Fps was a locked 30 for air and on water 76 to 90 fps.

Just thought it was interesting. It now performs like a pc . But I got a nice cool, quite water cooled pc for the same price I'd get a louder warmer air cooled pc.
What modes were you playing on for the locked 30fps and the 76 to 90fps in water cooled comparison?

Also EK is ####ing terrible company and recommend finding a new water block maker to use in the future.
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Old 06-28-2024, 12:50 PM   #2168
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What modes were you playing on for the locked 30fps and the 76 to 90fps in water cooled comparison?

Also EK is ####ing terrible company and recommend finding a new water block maker to use in the future.
Well considering they are the only ones that made a mono block for a PS5... also bought it last year before everything was revealed. Also I just don't give a #### . I use corsair blocks usually.
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Old 06-28-2024, 07:43 PM   #2169
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Well considering they are the only ones that made a mono block for a PS5... also bought it last year before everything was revealed. Also I just don't give a #### . I use corsair blocks usually.
Apparently you do give a ####, so much so that you didn't answer the only question I asked in my post.

An I reading it right:

PS5 running on the quality mode locked 30FPS was at 63c with air cooling?

Then running at unlocked performance mode it has your listed framerates at 36c?

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Old 06-28-2024, 10:46 PM   #2170
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I can't find anyone saying that using that water block improves performance. They all did it for noise and esthetics.

Is the PS5 that inefficient that you can get a 200% improvement in framerate with liquid cooling? No PC can get anywhere near that much of a boost.
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I can't find anyone saying that using that water block improves performance. They all did it for noise and esthetics.

Is the PS5 that inefficient that you can get a 200% improvement in framerate with liquid cooling? No PC can get anywhere near that much of a boost.
This is why I'm asking the question. Everything I have read about the PS5 is that it doesn't thermal throttle till at least 95c.

There is no way he is seeing a framerate increase that high due directly to liquid coiling. Practically everything I have read and seen states there is zero performance benefits from water-cooling your PS5.

Yes your PS5 will run quieter and cooler for longer without overheating which would lead to thermal throttling, but that would only happen if your fan is crap, you have a dirty heat sync or your liquid metal has leaked from being upright.

Perhaps what he was trying to get at was that when playing God of War on quality mode (locked at 30fps) he was seeing temps at 65c and when playing performance mode with an uncapped framerate he was only seeing temps around 35c while liquid cooled?

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Old 06-29-2024, 12:32 AM   #2172
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This is why I'm asking the question. Everything I have read about the PS5 is that it doesn't thermal throttle till at least 95c.

There is no way he is seeing a framerate increase that high due directly to liquid coiling. Practically everything I have read and seen states there is zero performance benefits from water-cooling your PS5.

Yes your PS5 will run quieter and cooler for longer without overheating which would lead to thermal throttling, but that would only happen if your fan is crap, you have a dirty heat sync or your liquid metal has leaked from being upright.

Perhaps what he was trying to get at was that when playing God of War on quality mode (locked at 30fps) he was seeing temps at 65c and when playing performance mode with an uncapped framerate he was only seeing temps around 35c while liquid cooled?
What I was seeing was temps that would thermal throttle my PS5. Long gaming sessions of 4 + hours. I initially said I was seeing temps as high ad 63 degrees but I miss typed and it was 93 on the temperature probe I had placed in the ps5 chiplet after 3+ hours ( my usual session is an average of 5 or 6 hours).

I wasn't clear with how I was presenting my data. When talking about the effects of air cooling the cooling was related to tempatures on the die. When I was talking about the temperatures of the water temperature . Water temps were in the 30s and the die was closer to 46c.

In God of War using favor performance- high frame rate- vrr on I was seeing more maintain higher fps in my gaming sessions. Maybe using the term "a over all up lift in performance" was the wrong term to use. I used it because I feel it is a performance upgrade overall for me because I'm always at a steady cool temp and not getting it into the throttle zone any more. So in that sense I am seeing an uplift for long term use.

I do see gains with cooler temps with certain modes . The block doesn't just touch the Agpu but he the memory, caps everything on the board is touched by the block vs just the Agpu on the air heat sink. You can watch the Gamers nexus where in Steve's tear down the memory for example was reaching 95 c + . My temp probe had the memory hot spot closer to high 50s low 60s after 3+ hours.

These blocks only work on super early variations that had issues. Like it was a absolute bitch of a time tracking one down took me weeks to confirm with sellers to get one. I had a disc drive one already but wanted a digital one for updating reasons.

The set up includes a 360mm corsair rad with a push/ pull noctua fan configuration, a Thermaltake 360mm d5 res pump combo and 3 fan front in take.

You don't have to take me for my word of course. I probed the setups in 14 different places at once for many hours at at a time ( I just like to tinker like a car tuner) . In certain situations like long game sessions or uncapped modes etc I did see a increase in performance on this particular revision of ps5 boards and air flow design in the configuration I used and case design I used .

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The more console gaming trends towards this PC gaming BS tech talk the less interested in it I become.
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The more console gaming trends towards this PC gaming BS tech talk the less interested in it I become.

Well IMO that's the future for consoles. Consoles made sense when they were a few hundred bucks and computers were substantially much much more. When the console wars really started mid 90s a console could be had for a few hundred bucks vs a entry level of a pc off 800 (1500 today with Inflation).

There will always be a "console". It's just going to be a low priced pc. The writing is kind of on the wall. With thability to emulated, Sony dosen't really release exclusives any more that won't eventually come to pc. Microsoft stopped releasing pc exclusives and vice versa.

This is why Nintendo innovated and moved to a mobile handheld ( fancy tablet) platform that could be docked. It was different and unique. Now every one makes one .

All these console makers are already seeing this and you can see the shift. This is why you see them buying as many other studios and IT properties they can . This is why there are rumors of these companies losing money and interest in making these machines.

I can see microsoft and sony just turning into massive studios only.Nintendo may stay in the hand held game.
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The more console gaming trends towards this PC gaming BS tech talk the less interested in it I become.
You're welcome to feel that way. But why mention it? It's like going up to a bunch of guys talking about wrenching on cars and saying you just use your vehicle to get to work.

They may be talking BS from your perspective but it's a valid hobby.
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Old 07-20-2024, 12:24 PM   #2179
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FTC mad about Game Pass price increases and layoffs

https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-indus...vision-merger/

Are you upset about the recent Game Pass price hike? Well, good news: so is the mighty American state. Or part of it, anyway. The US Federal Trade Commission (FTC), the country's antitrust and consumer protection watchdog, has submitted a filing to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in which it attacks Microsoft for "introducing a degraded product" with its new Game Pass Standard tier.

You don't have to be an antitrust lawyer to realise that's a bit of a raw deal: The whole kit and kaboodle is getting more expensive and some tiers are even losing features in the process.

In the filing, the agency notes "Microsoft’s price increases and product degradation—combined with Microsoft’s reduced investments in output and product quality via employee layoffs," and calls them "the hallmarks of a firm exercising market power post-merger."
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Man Chemgear is eerily quiet when Sony lays off 17% of Bungie's staff and is moving another 13% of its staff to other areas in PlayStation.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/31/2...es-new-project

This after not a peep about Sony laying off 900, or 8% of its global workforce in February.

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